I'll settle for cultural development, but where are the genes here?

but that's @Leaf 's conversation

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Mansu Musa was a warlord though

What happened to the genes that made Africans incapable of running their own civilizations?

Warlords are crucial to civilizations.

your missing the points

#notallcivilizations

all of them

It seems like you've shifted position away from genetic determinism to cultural determinism.

modern day Congo is more wealthy than 14th century Mali

Mali was prosperous under Mansa Musu due to trade with arabs, Mali exported huge amounts of gold.

A lot of places today would be wealthier than any place in the 14th century.

I don't know what your conception of "genetic determinism" is

@BabygottBach that was not a very orderly society. It got wealthy do to the wealth of African natural resources. Take Europe and East Asia, very natural resource dry. They used intelligence to make valuables.

@fuguer? So? There are such things as trading civilizations.

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African might be the most resource rich continent on the planet.

I don't consider myself a genetic determinist, I consider myself someone who acknowledges that behavior has a genetic component and that that is significant to historical development of various people groups

Russia and China know this already and so does the rest of the world @Hector

Behavior is genetic

Autism

You gave a genetic determinist explanation for current day Africa's lack of development relatively.

i dont consider myself

@BabygottBach the genes, get selected for over thousands of years, when you have abundance, like africa does, you don't need to organize to survive, you won't select for the genes that benefit organizational structures. how many regions had to deal with an ice age? did that impact africa like the rest of the world?

Also, the Khans were many times richer.

built by the richest people in the world at the time in Mali.

i'm a statistician

that makes me racist

not a 'determinist' explanation, I say that that is part of the reason

obviously the reality is complicated

I could tear that down with a single sledge hammer over the course of a few weeks

Correct

despite only 13%

@fuguer, try building using sand.

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africans suffer from seemingly permanent high time preference, both from biological and culturual influences

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