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`18. Jensen argues, in effect, that cognitive 'races' exist because genes related to human cognitive systems will have been subjected to diversifying selection in the same way as some superficial physical or physiological characters. He suggests that northern migrants would have faced particularly difficult conditions. As a result, groups of African descent will have lower frequencies of genes for superior cognitive abilities, compared with those of Caucasian or Mongoloid ancestry.
19. This completely misses the point. Our African hominid ancestors themselves evolved as a social-cooperative species in order to deal with conditions of extreme environmental uncertainty, as the climate dried, forests thinned, and former forest dwellers were 'flung out' onto the open savannah or forest margins. It is crucial to point out that when even as few as two individuals cooperate they create a new, social environment that is vastly more complex than anything experienced in the physical world. It is that complexity on the social plane which rapidly impelled the tripling of brain size and furnished the unique cognitive capacity for dealing with complexity in general - in the physical world as well as the social.`
This one.
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Question: Do arms dealers, or gun salesmen, bare responsibility for crimes committed with the products they sell?
no
`20. The uniquely adaptable, highly selected, socio-cognitive system that resulted was a prerequisite, not a consequence, of human migration patterns. Although inhabiting every possible niche, humans have only a quarter of the genetic variation of highly niche-specific chimpanzees (Kaessmann et al 1999). The system operates on a completely different plane from blind genetic selection - one which can 'model' the world conceptually, and anticipate and change it. If our heads get cold we invent hats, rather than wait for natural selection to reshape our skulls and increase the size of our brains (which is what Jensen suggests in one particularly questionable y line of argument). As Owens & King (1999) point out, what minor genetic differences exist are 'quite literally superficial... the possibility that human history has been characterised by genetically homogeneous groups ("races") distinguished by major biological differences, is not consistent with genetic evidence'. `
Do car salesman?
ain't nobody got time for this
Would it depend on scale? Like, If I armed both factions in a war? Do I bare responsibility for that bloodshed? Or an I just providing a service anyone would provide?
Denying race realism is like worse than believing in anti-vax and flat earth combined.
guess where he's from
I bet you can't
These quotes address the claim that natural selection in our prehistory created differential selection pressures that caused the intelligence differences we see in races today.
uganda
Norway
Clearly an african
argentina?
you can't know, race isn't real
South Africa
And Jenson and Rushton were both liberals. If you can't convince you, no one can.
these two are exactly the same and we would expect the same cognitive abelites
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27252307 I love how they Imply that SA isn't actually their home, when they've lived there for generations, and cultivated their own culture and way of life, unique from their European ancestors.
i think it's good that they do come home
fuck africa
It's race denialism bullshit. Among other things, it relies on the conception that cognitive effects of evolution must have happened before migration rather than after, for which there is no evidence at all other than some supposition made by the author. Furthermore, it denies the differences existing between groups of people that find themselves in different conditions (i.e. perhaps cooperation is good in a winter if you live on average 1 km away from anyone, but not at the equator if you live with 40 people around you all the time who may have increased violent tendencies). It then commits the error of thinking that genetic diversity as measured on a per-letter-of-DNA basis is a good quantification to affirm or deny the presence of distinct evolutionary pressures applying to different groups. It doesn't. We could have less variation than chimpanzees in number of letters, yet stronger natural selection pressures could be at play in shaping the different frequencies between groups. Finally, it strawmans the race realist position by stating that races are "genetically homogeneous groups," which is not the position and which should always raise a red flag in the reader, since setting such an impossible standard is clearly evidence that the author wanted to reach the conclusion that races don't exist.
@BabygottBach I am willing to give you a serious discussion in the <#634548436280016906> channel. If you came here knowing we are race realists, you can here to provoke meaningless without a serious discussion.
One race the human race
Hail JF!
I think you're strawmanning the quote, @JFGariepy
that's because you think everything is a strawman
Then, @Banjod, explain to me how he could infer any of what he just said from the quotes I posted.
@BabygottBach I am welling to give you a serious debate in <#634548436280016906> .
_any_ of it
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For instance, where does the quote say that "races have to be homogenous"?
I am swelling