Grounded means that there is something or someone the morality is ground in, enforcing it.

GO TO YOUR ROOM

"you dont convince me"nanananana im putting my fingers in my ears" - Nerthulas

YOU'RE GROUNDED

he needs to specify that as DNA lifeforms the matrix he speaks off is a result of genes and that variance even within human pop can lead to variance of perspective but i agree with nerths general points he's making i don't see what the arguments were just going on tangents about stuff

>So, grounded is something enforcing or justifying it.

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So @Nerthulas are you arguing everything is objective, but our human minds are subjective and therefore morality is decided by subjectivity dispite our obility to quanify the objective world with our senses and record it then make abstract and practical evaluations of that?

Its not black and white

there is a difference between positive statements about what is true, which describe reality, and statements of preference - when you say grounded, do you mean that it is something which would make statements about preference/normative statements true, descriptors of reality @Hector

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We have subjective and objective lived experience

https://twitter.com/Zod14_/status/1190360664306569216

I am sorry @Deleted User its gonna be hard to address your because @Nerthulas can't see you

if one statement can be true for two people its objective.

All you need to disprove his argument is prove that more than one person can share a truth

simply more than one.

https://twitter.com/Zod14_/status/1190360580114337792

Well of course more that one person can share a truth @Deleted User

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLdqKIj3-A0

I forgotted, there's good stuff on YT

Objective doesn't require universal agreement it requires agreement apart from the individual to more than one.

tbh, i behaved like an african my last year of trick-or-treating - 8th grade

i was better before that though, i swear

@StRexPowerColt I'm saying that the human perspective is the only one which can be taken, that there is no need to refer to a cosmic consciousness to explain the existence of numbers and patters, that reference to our own consciousnesses is the only thing which is required (and the only thing which can be said conclusively) as to why we observe these universal patterns

Thus objective can exist and coexist with the subjective.

Thats just not true @Nerthulas because if something besides humanity shared its perspective with us then what?

I don't think the best way to talk about morality is in terms of 'subjective vs objective' but 'normative vs positive'

@StRexPowerColt what do you mean, you mean like animals?

Universality is not a necessary trait of objectivism.... It can just be more than one person - there are degrees of objective.

the word is used different ways, yeah

Yes @Nerthulas or anything sentient that could communicate with us for that matter.

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ultimately we only have direct access to our own perspective, but we observe other things which we think function more or less like we do, on a continuum from animals to humans - what is the point of bringing this up?

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who's got the webm of the chink shaking at the arcade surrounded by females

@Nerthulas busy right now, can we continue this another time?

even acknowledging their existence can only be done from your perspective