Message from @ALternativeToLife

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2019-11-02 16:45:27 UTC  

@Nerthulas thanks for tagging me

2019-11-02 16:45:34 UTC  

yw

2019-11-02 16:45:41 UTC  

<:mlady:389497741769703424>

2019-11-02 16:45:43 UTC  

did u read my tag

2019-11-02 16:45:44 UTC  

nerth

2019-11-02 16:45:45 UTC  

ffs

2019-11-02 16:45:47 UTC  

do u agree

2019-11-02 16:46:14 UTC  

yeah I agree, but at least Romulus was using it in a different way

2019-11-02 16:46:21 UTC  

he was using it to be intersubjective

2019-11-02 16:46:26 UTC  

but he was opening up like

2019-11-02 16:46:34 UTC  

a third argument which was totally tangential

2019-11-02 16:46:55 UTC  

ye he does that

2019-11-02 16:46:58 UTC  

idk why

2019-11-02 16:46:58 UTC  

I don't really even understand which one he was trying to respond to

2019-11-02 16:47:24 UTC  

i think it's like because he's trying to tie it into some other thing he believes

2019-11-02 16:47:50 UTC  

@Nerthulas Okay, you think that morality is subjective to the cats own perferences. Well I disagree, I think morality (assuming the cat is sentient and not just a flesh and bone robot ie Golem) for the cat would but subject to the limitations of what the cat is potentially capable of (at least in terms judging it) and the a human would be subject to morality as best as one is potentially capable of, but that morality is not subjective.

2019-11-02 16:48:04 UTC  

YASSSSS

2019-11-02 16:48:31 UTC  

wait how is the morality not subjective you didn't say why?

2019-11-02 16:48:47 UTC  

well we can describe the cat's preferences in positive (descriptive/'objective') terms, but the preferences themselves are normative (subjective)

2019-11-02 16:49:07 UTC  

if it's coming from these 2 sentient entities it's subjective to each

2019-11-02 16:49:11 UTC  

it could be positive/objective that the cat's preferences exist, and that they have x consequences

2019-11-02 16:49:13 UTC  

<:powerful:639994936070242315>

2019-11-02 16:49:23 UTC  

but the preference *itself* is normative/subjective

2019-11-02 16:49:26 UTC  

Sure, but I think ones preferences (Pathos, Feelings) have nothing to do wtih morality.

2019-11-02 16:49:38 UTC  

acts act on morality, but they are not capable of really using it

2019-11-02 16:49:45 UTC  

animals*

2019-11-02 16:49:45 UTC  

I think they're the same thing to different degrees

2019-11-02 16:49:47 UTC  

very tired

2019-11-02 16:49:58 UTC  

I think I meant cats

2019-11-02 16:50:30 UTC  

can't even remember what I thought 10 seconds ago

2019-11-02 16:50:34 UTC  

great sign

2019-11-02 16:53:01 UTC  

i don't agree banjod, morality is subjective and what constitutes morality varies between genetic groups, morality is merely the accumulation of positive behaviors stemming from genes allowing the group to exist in a cohesive fashion, why? because it is superior for the survival of the group and it's members

2019-11-02 16:53:38 UTC  

The cat essentially has its own morality that is not like our own and we can say it is inferior

2019-11-02 16:53:55 UTC  

I see what you are saying @Nerthulas but I disagree. My argument for why I disagree has to do with historical proof of a "God", but I don't have the kinda time for that right now, what say we reconvein if you wanna hear that some other time. I will be on later.

2019-11-02 16:54:07 UTC  

ok, sure

2019-11-02 16:54:17 UTC  

guys just accept