Message from @glamp

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2019-11-09 06:02:06 UTC  

in an infinitely vast multiverse the anthropic principle ensures we will only exist in areas that are finely tuned

2019-11-09 06:02:43 UTC  

Well, I am just arguing that whatever fine-tuned is the world is what we call God and not arguing for any feature other than he is out-side of the universe.

2019-11-09 06:02:47 UTC  

we already know from inflationary cosmology there are infinitely expanding universes, and each universe can have different natural laws/forces as the higgs breaks the electroweak symmetry in different ways

2019-11-09 06:02:57 UTC  

I do not think the multiverse response is a strong response.

2019-11-09 06:03:19 UTC  

why?

2019-11-09 06:03:30 UTC  

you don't think the universe is vast?

2019-11-09 06:03:47 UTC  

1. Well, there would need to be a mechanism making the multiverse. I could just say that is God.

2019-11-09 06:03:55 UTC  

the fact that we're alone in the universe is actually evidence in favor of anthropic principle

2019-11-09 06:04:00 UTC  

2. Do we have proof there is a multiverse?

2019-11-09 06:04:04 UTC  

yes we do

2019-11-09 06:04:15 UTC  

there are at least 4 different levels of multiverse

2019-11-09 06:04:42 UTC  

3. It is not likely that we are in the few universes that we live in the fine-tuned universe. (I can explain further.)

2019-11-09 06:05:13 UTC  

1. Well, there would need to be a mechanism making the multiverse. I could just say that is God.
2. Do we have proof there is a multiverse?
3. It is not likely that we are in the few universes that we live in the fine-tuned universe. (I can explain further.)

Here are my objections. I am very new to Christianity and especially apologetics.

2019-11-09 06:05:29 UTC  

Can we handle these one by one?

2019-11-09 06:05:50 UTC  

I think point 2. would be a good start.

2019-11-09 06:06:01 UTC  

i would call anything outside out observable universe a multiverse since we can never interact with it

2019-11-09 06:06:13 UTC  

there are supposedly good theoretical arguments for a multiverse. as for 3, you'd only find yourself in one of the universes that could support life

2019-11-09 06:06:22 UTC  

this is the anthropic principle

2019-11-09 06:06:51 UTC  

Let's start with 2.. Can you prove or put evidence forward for the mutliverse?

2019-11-09 06:07:03 UTC  

forget about fine tuning, thomism is where it's at

2019-11-09 06:07:06 UTC  

so... A. first level of multiverse is any part of our unvierse expanding away from us faster than light. B. next level is inflationary bubbles which current theory suggests are expanding exponentially. C. there's quantum superposition multiverse levels

2019-11-09 06:07:16 UTC  

(Would like to do this more often. Already having fun.)

2019-11-09 06:07:18 UTC  

nick the knife

2019-11-09 06:07:38 UTC  

Well, what evidence for this conclusion is there?

2019-11-09 06:08:01 UTC  

you should read up on inflationary cosmology

2019-11-09 06:08:15 UTC  

Got ya, I will put that on my list of stuff to read.

2019-11-09 06:08:24 UTC  

A. looks interesting.

2019-11-09 06:08:27 UTC  

if you consider the possibility of inflation's role in the big bang its almost inevitable we're part of an infinitely vast multiverse

2019-11-09 06:09:16 UTC  

But this is a theory, so all of these are evidence, not proof, as it does not guarantee the premise it seems.

2019-11-09 06:09:23 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/642606646723608577/different-types.jpg

2019-11-09 06:09:34 UTC  

But I am willing to make the assumption the multiverse exists.

2019-11-09 06:09:38 UTC  

saved picture

2019-11-09 06:10:34 UTC  

1. Well, there would need to be a mechanism making the multiverse. I could just say that is God.
3. It is not likely that we are in the few universes that we live in the fine-tuned universe. (I can explain further.)

How do you respond to these?

2019-11-09 06:10:50 UTC  

so if the universe exists, 99.99999999% of it could be barren seas of particles that can't interact well enough to form stable chemistry and galaxies

2019-11-09 06:11:15 UTC  

but there only needs to exist one pocket in the vast sea of probabililties that is hospitable to life

2019-11-09 06:11:26 UTC  

Well, that does not disprove God.

2019-11-09 06:11:29 UTC  

and any life that evolves will find itself in such a hospitable area and think, wow this is fine tuned

2019-11-09 06:11:42 UTC  

There are quite a few different probable solutions to the fermi paradox

2019-11-09 06:11:44 UTC  

how can i prove a negative

2019-11-09 06:11:55 UTC  

i'm saying there's no evidence of god's existence