Turkey wanted to join but EU wasn’t too impressed at the end and turkey has had a shakey human rights record -

And UK political structure itself.

@Muad'Dib Yes, but that was about economical gains, and not joining.

They wanted EU to chip in extra support to keep teh refugee camps

So Turkey is already in EU trade zone, as in they can trade freely.

Letting Turkey in aint good optics

But they can't do their individual trade deals.

They sit together with EU.

In a trade deal.

Lol wtf was that

I think the EU could have saved themselves a big headache and just not have unelected people in Brussels making laws for people who speak a different language

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Realistically neither Turkey (rising nationalist) wants to join, neither Europe keen of it anymore.

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The whole EU structure is perverse if your an English man - the executive is unelected (appointed by the 27 heads of state) - they ask the parliament (the one the uk said has to be elected as they weren’t prior to 1979) to rubber stamp the laws. The executive also pledges to go against national interests for the sake of the EU (to anyone who values the 1689 civil rights bill and common law this is sick)

@Muad'Dib It is not entirely unelected though. Nigel Farage for example been elected in Eu parliament for decade at least. Yes, there is a bureaucratic part - as UK has (Whitehawk).

The question lies in the details. So for example Orban often blames EU, but in the end his party takes important position. Had been voted in for decades now, always supported mostly Merkel's wing of People's Party.

@Rick Turpin English structure has it's problems too.

2014 around4 million people voted to UKIP in general election. Around 13 million to Conservatives.

Guess how many UKIP seats had been in House of Commons?

The EU is designed to be a “high authority” over national interests and can often superseded them

EU parliament elections in uk are viewed as as protest vote - no one takes them seriously

That’s why ukip makes big gains or brexit party

@Rick Turpin Again, that is not entirely true. So compare to UK electoral system Parliament of EU is more of a representation of people's will.

If people takes it seriously better.

In UK electoral system the winner takes it all.

So UKIP in 2014

With 4 million supporters have no seat.

In House of Commons.

None.

Less than 4 time of population support Conservatives had 320+ seats