Message from @untergang

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2019-12-09 08:11:57 UTC  

Its to the benefit of the state that they agress morw

2019-12-09 08:12:01 UTC  

and of course, the other obvious problems

2019-12-09 08:12:02 UTC  

Monopoly and force are synonymous

2019-12-09 08:12:14 UTC  

because of the civil ware

2019-12-09 08:12:16 UTC  

Force may be used to uphold monopoƱy

2019-12-09 08:12:24 UTC  

Are they same? no

2019-12-09 08:12:34 UTC  

it set presedence for the lessening of state rights

2019-12-09 08:12:39 UTC  

due to the outcome

2019-12-09 08:12:42 UTC  

We can have decentralized force

2019-12-09 08:12:48 UTC  

yeah

2019-12-09 08:12:49 UTC  

we can

2019-12-09 08:12:52 UTC  

Where each property owner is a locus of power

2019-12-09 08:12:54 UTC  

but you know who can't

2019-12-09 08:12:56 UTC  

Force can only be top down , no?
ie a monopoly

2019-12-09 08:13:00 UTC  

you know the problem in

2019-12-09 08:13:00 UTC  

Nope

2019-12-09 08:13:04 UTC  

the browns

2019-12-09 08:13:10 UTC  

That type of force will destroy

2019-12-09 08:13:27 UTC  

How else is will manifested

2019-12-09 08:13:29 UTC  

Whatever protection is provided by the state will become less and more expensive

2019-12-09 08:13:38 UTC  

Via struggle, through force

2019-12-09 08:13:47 UTC  

So

2019-12-09 08:14:11 UTC  

yeah

2019-12-09 08:14:14 UTC  

The property owners will use forcw when necessary to safeguard the integrity of their property and person

2019-12-09 08:14:14 UTC  

i see where that goes

2019-12-09 08:14:25 UTC  

and locals

2019-12-09 08:14:33 UTC  

neighboors

2019-12-09 08:14:45 UTC  

The laws of interaction

2019-12-09 08:14:48 UTC  

But who decides what property means

2019-12-09 08:14:53 UTC  

that's not anarchy though

2019-12-09 08:14:55 UTC  

Why can't I have a city block

2019-12-09 08:14:58 UTC  

that's order

2019-12-09 08:15:00 UTC  

Hoppe defines it

2019-12-09 08:15:05 UTC  

Its ordered anarchy

2019-12-09 08:15:05 UTC  

hoppe

2019-12-09 08:15:30 UTC  

What if I disregard hoppe

2019-12-09 08:15:30 UTC  

Hoppe and other paleolibertarians recognize that hierarchy is necesessary

2019-12-09 08:15:34 UTC  

that woudl only work in a purly white, non degenerate society

2019-12-09 08:15:34 UTC  

even in a free society

2019-12-09 08:15:48 UTC  

Hoppe considers degeneracy to stem from the state

2019-12-09 08:16:10 UTC  

As in the end, the state is the main culprit at shielding people from consequences