that isn't what's happening in HK

China is nominally M-L of course they pay their due optics to humanism

we just don't get that perspective much

since our propaganda washes it all away

they do the old '3rd worldism we aren't as exploitative as white people we're like you plus we're socialist' thing

I disagree, they actively try to obfuscate the many huumanitarian problems they cause

'what we're doing in africa is cooperative'

sure they do

they also try to present a humanitarian face to the rest of the world

yeah but chinese citizens honestly believe that china is a force for global peace. almost like the muslim idea of taking over for the greater good. the chinese government knows better and has increased their intel infrastructure into the south china sea and have hectic radars to collect international info for their strategic purposes. i just wonder if there will be a point when they creep too far towards australia, or if australia will just cuck.

I don't think they really buy it though, it's tokenism from their side.

chinese students I speak to in UK do not believe their country is a force for global peace

none of them have expressed anything like that

I've spoken to maybe a hundred in the past few years

my town has a high population of chinese students attending high prestige private schools

they are fascinating, btw

chinese people appear to be deeply schizophrenic, depending mainly on wether they live outside of china or not

which ones are the schizos?

native chinese

due to social pressures?

yes, almost entirely due to the massive propaganda pressure they have lived under for decades/generations

The ones who travel the world and see everything is much more complex than the government says it is are practically escapees. they've seen the world, they've basically become americanised or westernised at least.

yes

they can *think*

but the borg still exists.

lol

because the native chinese have been engineered to think exactly how the state wants

yeah, there are plenty of things online about chinese views about their own government. they basically refuse to question it.

it's not just a problem of lack of free speech, but also proscribed speech/language

which is why I try to question people who redefine language

they are attempting to redefine thought

that's why i brought up hong kong. that conflict would have been a means for war back in the day... but now thanks to global information transfer the chinese government has to play it cool. if they attack, their own people awaken.

and the infighting starts.

which is way more expensive and troublesome than anything else

their population is HUGE

I don't know, I suspect historically the HK peoplle would have just ejected the malcontents

no need to start a war, just clean house

it's almost impossible to eject malcontents these days, that seems to be a big difference

they need to drip in info from other countries slowly. imagine if the chinese internet was uncensored all at once... pure chaos.

but even then it would lead to more globalist nonsense and wouyld be bad for the whole planet eventually.