Message from @Nerthulas
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illegitimate gay frog eggs with lemon juice
I found it! Now, I am going to get something to eat.
If you want a family, the timer is ticking.
apropos stupid games, I'm looking for a MS flight sim alternative for someone who really isn't exactly pilot material
Oh hey
So
Oil futures are already short
But I'm thinking of shorting them <:pepehmm:665379100185198592>
Its so lovely that the meme that Molymeme boosted is still going
@themiddleman🐸 What do you think?
I wouldn’t personally
Looks like it is on support
@Rogal Dorn ok so I assume that you agree that a trait which is fitness-reducing will be selected against in-group, so the real question as I see it is - does the advantage conferred to the group somehow 'outweigh' the natural tendency of the group away from expressing this trait
when I was asking about the mechanism what I meant was
I'm trying to think of how to formulate it
I know that this gene may be present in an organism's relatives
but
if it isn't expressing itself that way
then what if it does in the next generation?
on the one hand
that's the only way 'group selection' can happen - if a trait which is fitness reducing is expressed by non direct-descendent
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on the other hand, if its fitness reducing, then I don't see how the population can't converge away from it
Well, so, you seem to be saying that it is a gene that would fail in terms of gene selection but be really good in terms of group selection. How does it pervade in the population if it is individually selected?
Well, we know it does. I will use genius as an example. The average genius has .3 fertility. Only one in three geniuses have children, yet it is in the population all the time.
about to start
https://youtu.be/Oc1W11onnwg
ok so we know it does, now I want to understand *how* it does, that's what I was trying to communicate when I asked the mechanism
Well, most often, these traits are not found in a single gene, but they are in many genes that have a epistasis effect on each other, which results in the phenotype being this reduced individual fitness but effective group selected trait.
right
I understand that
Lol
A genius is not someone who is just high IQ. It is a combination of these rare genes that make a weird combination, which results in geniuses.
The genius strategy is not to reproduce himself, but get others to reproduce more, so you get more of these odd combinations, resulting in the genius replicating.
It is all about finding the right niche. If you have a trait like this, and it does not have a niche, it probably won't survive.
So, the example you gave can only succeed if there is some way of him passing his genes on continuously through some niche.
As long as this gene is present in someone else, and it is replicating, he it will continue to rarely pop it, and that is what you want.
It can also mutant into the population. If the replicating increases the amount of breeding, it will increase the mutations being made, so it could replicate the gene that way or some gene very similar to it.

