Message from @Nerthulas

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2020-01-16 18:44:29 UTC  

perfect scrambled eggs

2020-01-16 18:45:06 UTC  

illegitimate gay frog eggs with lemon juice

2020-01-16 18:46:14 UTC  

abort abort abort

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/667439489249181696/1280px-Frog_eggs.jpg

2020-01-16 18:48:41 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/667440103936884748/iu.png

2020-01-16 18:48:54 UTC  

I found it! Now, I am going to get something to eat.

2020-01-16 18:49:00 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/667440185696452609/-SKd-DYq9NYig0CO.mp4

2020-01-16 18:49:13 UTC  

If you want a family, the timer is ticking.

2020-01-16 18:50:26 UTC  
2020-01-16 18:50:52 UTC  

apropos stupid games, I'm looking for a MS flight sim alternative for someone who really isn't exactly pilot material

2020-01-16 18:50:59 UTC  

Oh hey

2020-01-16 18:51:01 UTC  

So

2020-01-16 18:51:19 UTC  

Oil futures are already short
But I'm thinking of shorting them <:pepehmm:665379100185198592>

2020-01-16 18:51:23 UTC  

Its so lovely that the meme that Molymeme boosted is still going

2020-01-16 18:51:26 UTC  

@themiddleman🐸 What do you think?

2020-01-16 18:55:13 UTC  

I wouldn’t personally

2020-01-16 18:55:52 UTC  

Looks like it is on support

2020-01-16 18:57:19 UTC  

@Rogal Dorn ok so I assume that you agree that a trait which is fitness-reducing will be selected against in-group, so the real question as I see it is - does the advantage conferred to the group somehow 'outweigh' the natural tendency of the group away from expressing this trait

2020-01-16 18:57:31 UTC  

when I was asking about the mechanism what I meant was

2020-01-16 18:58:02 UTC  

I'm trying to think of how to formulate it

2020-01-16 18:58:25 UTC  

I know that this gene may be present in an organism's relatives

2020-01-16 18:58:28 UTC  

but

2020-01-16 18:58:39 UTC  

won't it be fitness-reducing in them as well?

2020-01-16 18:58:49 UTC  

if it isn't expressing itself that way

2020-01-16 18:58:58 UTC  

then what if it does in the next generation?

2020-01-16 18:59:01 UTC  

on the one hand

2020-01-16 18:59:37 UTC  

that's the only way 'group selection' can happen - if a trait which is fitness reducing is expressed by non direct-descendent

2020-01-16 18:59:39 UTC  

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2020-01-16 19:00:01 UTC  

on the other hand, if its fitness reducing, then I don't see how the population can't converge away from it

2020-01-16 19:00:17 UTC  

Well, so, you seem to be saying that it is a gene that would fail in terms of gene selection but be really good in terms of group selection. How does it pervade in the population if it is individually selected?

2020-01-16 19:01:28 UTC  

Well, we know it does. I will use genius as an example. The average genius has .3 fertility. Only one in three geniuses have children, yet it is in the population all the time.

2020-01-16 19:01:29 UTC  
2020-01-16 19:02:16 UTC  

ok so we know it does, now I want to understand *how* it does, that's what I was trying to communicate when I asked the mechanism

2020-01-16 19:02:25 UTC  

Well, most often, these traits are not found in a single gene, but they are in many genes that have a epistasis effect on each other, which results in the phenotype being this reduced individual fitness but effective group selected trait.

2020-01-16 19:02:37 UTC  

right

2020-01-16 19:02:40 UTC  

I understand that

2020-01-16 19:02:46 UTC  

Lol

2020-01-16 19:03:16 UTC  

A genius is not someone who is just high IQ. It is a combination of these rare genes that make a weird combination, which results in geniuses.

2020-01-16 19:04:09 UTC  

The genius strategy is not to reproduce himself, but get others to reproduce more, so you get more of these odd combinations, resulting in the genius replicating.

2020-01-16 19:04:38 UTC  

It is all about finding the right niche. If you have a trait like this, and it does not have a niche, it probably won't survive.

2020-01-16 19:05:07 UTC  

So, the example you gave can only succeed if there is some way of him passing his genes on continuously through some niche.

2020-01-16 19:05:43 UTC  

As long as this gene is present in someone else, and it is replicating, he it will continue to rarely pop it, and that is what you want.