Message from @Emperor of Atlantis

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2020-01-27 08:00:34 UTC  

I doubt it, half the shit these generals say about Hitler is wrong or they were wrong

2020-01-27 08:00:49 UTC  

I know it sounds fanatical on my part, but they're wrong

2020-01-27 08:00:49 UTC  

Except this could be confirmed if true

2020-01-27 08:00:58 UTC  

what strategy you talking about anyway?

2020-01-27 08:01:00 UTC  

because there should be records of his orders and his political goals

2020-01-27 08:01:07 UTC  

I need to watch the video

2020-01-27 08:01:50 UTC  

youtube research

2020-01-27 08:02:06 UTC  

to be fair the guy is reading from a book

2020-01-27 08:02:24 UTC  

I just find the expression funny

2020-01-27 08:02:47 UTC  

Basically, it's a memoir from one of the generals describing how one of the difficulties with winning the war with the soviets was that Hitler didn't adopt a strategy to effectively recruit russian dissident populations against stalin, even though many were available. The assistance they did get from them seemed to be more incidental, rather than due to a specific policy or campaign, and this really could have helped them.

2020-01-27 08:03:01 UTC  

I *think* it was a general, iirc

2020-01-27 08:03:32 UTC  

I never heard of any Gehlen, probably very irrelevant

2020-01-27 08:04:02 UTC  

Lots of these areas they conquered were full of people who hated stalin, and there were even large groups of soldiers who just surrendered to the germans because of how much they hated stalin

2020-01-27 08:04:29 UTC  

I could try to tackle this

2020-01-27 08:04:44 UTC  

the thing with WW2 is that no research is total, we lack so many documents

2020-01-27 08:05:08 UTC  

but the most basic reason is, arming a tonne of Russkies isn't a solution

2020-01-27 08:05:29 UTC  

that would probably create more problems than it would solve

2020-01-27 08:05:47 UTC  

also there was never an organized attempt to resist USSR or to rebel

2020-01-27 08:05:56 UTC  

and at least when it comes to the Ukrainians

2020-01-27 08:06:01 UTC  

the specific kind of documents that would be useful to verify this would have to do with what was the proposed political and propaganda program the germans were instructed to use on the russians, their policy regarding russian defectors, and records and details of the events of towns they conquered and troops who surrendered to them

2020-01-27 08:06:13 UTC  

Hitler was arming dissidents in Eastern Ukraine since the 1930's

2020-01-27 08:06:32 UTC  

this wasn't even a thing where they would have to arm all of them, at least some of them were already armed

2020-01-27 08:06:38 UTC  

I know of some of those

2020-01-27 08:06:44 UTC  

but we don't have all of it

2020-01-27 08:07:04 UTC  

also policy changed as the war went on

2020-01-27 08:07:22 UTC  

maybe they finally adopted it but too late?

2020-01-27 08:07:26 UTC  

I can go over it tomorrow I guess

2020-01-27 08:07:37 UTC  

at the point donovan stops in the video, it seems like there's still a lot more to cover

2020-01-27 08:07:54 UTC  

but it sounds like they still were doing this aggressively, even as winter fell

2020-01-27 08:08:00 UTC  

I found a Lt General Gehlen, this guy sounds like a queer

2020-01-27 08:08:13 UTC  

is it because his name sounds like "gay"?

2020-01-27 08:08:35 UTC  

no, he was one of the conspirators that tried to blow up Hitler and was a Western asset after the war

2020-01-27 08:08:41 UTC  

I am assuming it is the same guy?

2020-01-27 08:09:10 UTC  

his service record is bad, seems to have just been in charge of intel and espionage

2020-01-27 08:09:24 UTC  

but it must have been really bad considering German intel got btfo during the war

2020-01-27 08:09:35 UTC  

I´m waiting too.

2020-01-27 08:10:35 UTC  

If this is something Hitler was actually doing, can you blame him for conspiring to blow him up? Assuming this isn't just a cover. If it's a legit position, something that he believes is true, I could see someone justifying that while not being a traitor to Germany.

2020-01-27 08:11:20 UTC  

I don't think that was his reasoning for trying to kill Hitler

2020-01-27 08:12:06 UTC  

the officers were autistic and generally they just disliked Nazism and claimed that the Nazis were responsible for losing the war

2020-01-27 08:12:35 UTC  

and were so stupid they thought if they killed Hitler that the Brits would make peace with them

2020-01-27 08:15:48 UTC  

Well, if you find documentation on whether or not this strategy was pursued, and any reflection on how accurate it was that lots of russians were receptive to this strategy, let me know. It might help if you watch the whole vid, so you know what specific claims are being made, and what is needed to be confirmed or refuted.