your moral framing and justifications will be very different

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to call it absolute is a far stretch.
Its a negotiation with society
and influenced by reality

not this weirdo bullshit libertarian/propertarian "lets build morality from the ground up"

there is no ground

to build from the ground up on

..intuition is very important..

libertarians will always try regardless

it started with Randianism

People don't like rape

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M35Dlp9Y69k 50% swedes in the ''think tank'' created by the before this groupe leader of the nationalist sweden democrat party... Hes not done after having compleatly destroyed all the good forces inside the party once actually standing for the real swedes now hes going to try and spread hes ideas over the rest of europe, i certenly hope real nationalist se trhow this

And since the Objectivist randians

no..thats not Randianism

the libertarians havent stopped on their quest to find the ground

there is no such thing as Randianism

But they could evolve to prefer rape

we have ***evolved moral intuitions*** shaped by our environment into moral preferences

Randianism is the Hoppean term for Objectivism

Ayn Rands is OBJECTIVISM

I love how frightened Warren is when this guy gets on stage.

Hoppe doesnt like Rand

> there is no such thing as actual morality what the fuck are you talking about
@Nerthulas
There is an empirically verifiable and finite set of actions through which we can increase the probability of a preferable outcome, in accordance with each individuals relative values respectively

Ayn Rand was not a libertarian ..she wrote so herself

so he mocks her by calling her thing Randianism

Like she thinks she's about to be attacked.

there is just obviously no ground, we know what moral preferences are, they are evolved intuitions expressed in an environment

with some post hoc rationalizations

Rand.. was an anti-socialists in the 1980s..
she fleed from Soviet..

@Ed if that were true there wouldn't be a debate about abortion

I must be the only one here watching the Halftime show, let alone the sport

Rand was a Jewess that felt her bolshevik jew compatriots had betrayed her family by murdering them and stealing their shit

and WOW

Yes, Rothbard left Rand's inner circle because he thought she was unoriginal and didn't really allow criticism of her views, and regulated and judged the personal lives of her conclave. I think she chastised Rothbard for being married to a Christian.

the show so far is soooooooooooooo Hispanic

so in revenge she built an entire movement to try to debunk them

@Nerthulas

don't you think we have build society from the grounds and up?
We are just so far ahead in progress?
The ancient past looks pretty ancap

@Ed first of all, no, the calculus is too big for you to be able to tell anything, second of all, why is maximizing the fulfilment of people's values the most important thing? this is just utilitarianism

She was also afraid the red Jews were gonna take over her save haven of america

Not AnCap, a better term is natural order.

so knowing that her fellow jews would probably do so soon enough, she began her work

and now I'm hearing some fucking English in this

bottom up politics become top-down politics.
morality,religion, economy and whatever,