I'll check when you have

...huh?

otherwise I see what your intent is and then it's going to boil down too what we want to believe

because no evidence has been clearly given

the wine and bread thing goes back to many different religion.
and they all say that if you consume the agricultural products
you become part of the diety or community

and had you read the bible maybe you might have a comparative text to refute your own beliefs

but you haven't

there are bread and wine cults in mesopotamia

...........

and believe it's all paganism adopted

paganism is just a name..

I read the bible I just dont believe it...

which is obsurd if you know history AND the contents of the bible

then you should readily realize that it's not adopted paganism

the bible is just a single text..
the bible is only valid with other sources..

although some is after the fact adopted by some sects

that I won't deny

for example catholicism is laden with paganism

I can use Cain and abel and back that up
with what we know about stone age shepherds
and then it makes sense.

look

I have to get ready

induction =
similar thing happens..in mesopomian
similar thing happens..in Rome
similar thing happens...in Christianity..

you make the logical assumption that this flow
of event..is all there is

@Eternal Entropy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_cross
@https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumuzid_the_Shepherd
@https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enkimdu
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Nothing new learned, I see nothing related to the bible other than this stuff being the neighboring culture in the region the bible takes place.
No evidence is present.

@Eternal Entropy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_languages

its all related to the bible
because all the bible says is BS
untill it is backed by other sources
and the history and the sciences
doesnt match the fantasies written
down ..not in that exact form.

do you intend to show any proofs or evidences or is it all assumption based on loose connections in which one is required to leap to the conclusion without any intent or action shown in which your claims can be substantiated?

also Language groups = date back to when
people used Race .
So Language groups can be undestood as racial groups.
So we know..
that the egypitans and the sumerians
and the minoans where semetic.

@Eternal Entropy
do not read the bible or any holy text
as a historical document..
and we dont use pegan text that way either

history of this tells me nothing about what jews are. That's what the bible is for.

So you only believe Jewish history if written by jews?

there is no history book of judaism that has commandments to jews

@Eternal Entropy

religion is a up hill, buttom-up evolution
from different classified historical groups.
Get over it

no I take all history into account

it's not the bible though

the bible is how one understands what jews are

and what they are not

100% of that information lies in the bible

i believe the part where they trick innocent people into getting circumcisions and then slaughter them as they recover from the pain

And rape their women afterwards

At this point you are just protesting against
darwninism in history..
this culture follows by this culture and this this
therefore we assume all the cultures
are evolved from eachother
and the bible is just the book from modern times