Message from @Mr. Nessel
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The old matriarchal fertility cults of early European farmers
So BAP claims
If we're turning back to that it's only a question of time old paganism will supplant it too which is highly hierarchical, masculine and idealistic as far as we can tell or another potent meme will do the job
Maybe islam idk
I could see muslims taking over countries and shitlibs converting en masse to avoid paying Jizya
I was just reading another conversation on this server where they theorized that Islam is just as succeptible to being absorbed into the ideological mold that is secular liberalism
I don't actually think so. As German I've seen secularized muslims
Secularized as in tainted by liberalism
First gen guestworkers were pretty ok, behaved well etc.
2nd gen and onwards it only goes downhill
They never really drop islam, jsut violate its principles
Which also leads some of them to want to repent in a typically islamic way
Either they become salafists and do nothing or they cause issues
Hard to say
In my city there's actually quite a number of salafists because Hamburg didn't want them to organize there
You see them walking around from time to time
In white robes with long beards
I've also been to an Ahmadiyya mosque back in my school days
It's not islam
Islam has a history of being able to hijack liberal-backed uprisings
Ahmadiyya?
They had banners saying "Muhammad liberator of women"
Don't have issues with apostacy (I asked the Imam)
And they're banned from Mecca widely regarded as nonmuslims or apostates in islamic countries
How common are they?
Pretty rare
I wouldn't be surprised if liberal power tries to patronize them
They made up a chunk of the very earliest islamic presence in Germany
Unitarians and homosex """churches""" were pretty rare originally too
Sure but the christians always have a way out regarding interpretation and the bible not being literally the word of god
The muslims treat the qur'an as infallible
The literal word of god as delivered to Muahmmad by the archangel Gabriel
The bible is more equivalent to the hadiths which are just a compilation of stories etc. about the life of Muhammad since he's deemed the perfect man
However at least the hadiths are open to interpretation/questioning as they're not the literal word of god
A muslim might argue that the hadiths which mention Muhammad being a pedophile aren't authentic or whatever for example
But you can't do this with the qur'an
If the qur'an say to kill apostates (which it does) there's no arguing about it
Perhaps. Never forget that Protestantism- the source of most degenerate/withered Christianity- was founded on Sola Scriptura
If various powers could wear that down overtime, the same can theoretically be done with Islam
Well yes. It's birthed the most fundamentalist and liberal churches
And it actually is somewhat similiar in islam