Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-02-03 19:01:00 UTC  

The old matriarchal fertility cults of early European farmers

2020-02-03 19:01:17 UTC  

So BAP claims

2020-02-03 19:02:50 UTC  

If we're turning back to that it's only a question of time old paganism will supplant it too which is highly hierarchical, masculine and idealistic as far as we can tell or another potent meme will do the job

2020-02-03 19:02:54 UTC  

Maybe islam idk

2020-02-03 19:03:16 UTC  

I could see muslims taking over countries and shitlibs converting en masse to avoid paying Jizya

2020-02-03 19:04:00 UTC  

I was just reading another conversation on this server where they theorized that Islam is just as succeptible to being absorbed into the ideological mold that is secular liberalism

2020-02-03 19:05:12 UTC  

I don't actually think so. As German I've seen secularized muslims

2020-02-03 19:05:26 UTC  

Secularized as in tainted by liberalism

2020-02-03 19:05:57 UTC  

First gen guestworkers were pretty ok, behaved well etc.
2nd gen and onwards it only goes downhill

2020-02-03 19:06:12 UTC  

They never really drop islam, jsut violate its principles

2020-02-03 19:06:32 UTC  

Which also leads some of them to want to repent in a typically islamic way

2020-02-03 19:06:49 UTC  

Either they become salafists and do nothing or they cause issues

2020-02-03 19:07:22 UTC  

Hard to say

2020-02-03 19:07:23 UTC  

In my city there's actually quite a number of salafists because Hamburg didn't want them to organize there

2020-02-03 19:07:37 UTC  

You see them walking around from time to time

2020-02-03 19:07:46 UTC  

In white robes with long beards

2020-02-03 19:08:23 UTC  

I've also been to an Ahmadiyya mosque back in my school days

2020-02-03 19:08:26 UTC  

It's not islam

2020-02-03 19:08:32 UTC  

Islam has a history of being able to hijack liberal-backed uprisings

2020-02-03 19:08:45 UTC  

Ahmadiyya?

2020-02-03 19:09:22 UTC  

Yeah it's a really minor sect of muslims which jsut ignore the qur'an when they don't like it

2020-02-03 19:09:39 UTC  

They had banners saying "Muhammad liberator of women"

2020-02-03 19:10:03 UTC  

Don't have issues with apostacy (I asked the Imam)

2020-02-03 19:10:26 UTC  

And they're banned from Mecca widely regarded as nonmuslims or apostates in islamic countries

2020-02-03 19:13:16 UTC  

How common are they?

2020-02-03 19:13:26 UTC  

Pretty rare

2020-02-03 19:13:36 UTC  

I wouldn't be surprised if liberal power tries to patronize them

2020-02-03 19:13:43 UTC  

They made up a chunk of the very earliest islamic presence in Germany

2020-02-03 19:13:57 UTC  

Unitarians and homosex """churches""" were pretty rare originally too

2020-02-03 19:14:50 UTC  

Sure but the christians always have a way out regarding interpretation and the bible not being literally the word of god

2020-02-03 19:15:01 UTC  

The muslims treat the qur'an as infallible

2020-02-03 19:15:18 UTC  

The literal word of god as delivered to Muahmmad by the archangel Gabriel

2020-02-03 19:16:11 UTC  

The bible is more equivalent to the hadiths which are just a compilation of stories etc. about the life of Muhammad since he's deemed the perfect man

2020-02-03 19:16:42 UTC  

However at least the hadiths are open to interpretation/questioning as they're not the literal word of god

2020-02-03 19:17:10 UTC  

A muslim might argue that the hadiths which mention Muhammad being a pedophile aren't authentic or whatever for example

2020-02-03 19:17:26 UTC  

But you can't do this with the qur'an

2020-02-03 19:17:53 UTC  

If the qur'an say to kill apostates (which it does) there's no arguing about it

2020-02-03 19:22:32 UTC  

Perhaps. Never forget that Protestantism- the source of most degenerate/withered Christianity- was founded on Sola Scriptura

2020-02-03 19:23:01 UTC  

If various powers could wear that down overtime, the same can theoretically be done with Islam

2020-02-03 19:23:03 UTC  

Well yes. It's birthed the most fundamentalist and liberal churches

2020-02-03 19:23:28 UTC  

And it actually is somewhat similiar in islam