Message from @Mr. Nessel

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2020-02-03 18:48:33 UTC  

Promethean Man is the term that one based Senator used for the idea of the sovereign individual

2020-02-03 18:48:42 UTC  

Anyway like someone said earlier, paganism is often used as a means to justify extreem tribalism/racialism

2020-02-03 18:49:05 UTC  

hawley?

2020-02-03 18:50:25 UTC  

First of all disagreeing about the nature of god and the emergence of the universe with christians is a good reason to look at alternate systems of belief. People who want to be amoral become wiccans or stay atheists etc.
Then there's the idea of Dharma which had a predecessor in the old IE religion which I very much like and identify with my views of good as an intangible ideal to strive for (which I had since my agnostic phase)
It's not so much about larping in Marvel costumes or necessarily worshipping any god in particular but first an foremost being in line with that intangible good to the best of my ability
Respecting gods, flawed as they are, I think is a good thing but not necessary for it

2020-02-03 18:50:54 UTC  

Anyway I don't like the term pagan

2020-02-03 18:51:21 UTC  

Wiccans are not in the same category as someone who is trying to be a good person

2020-02-03 18:51:46 UTC  

I have to say that paganism on the internet is in a bad state because of bad apples like Varg

2020-02-03 18:52:33 UTC  

People pick it up superficially and then don't bother to do the work to actually behave properly

2020-02-03 18:53:41 UTC  

Regarding the racial aspect, yes it factors into it and it should if you're not someone who thinks in terms of universal salvation and whatnot

2020-02-03 18:53:50 UTC  

@Skellington I think that's the guy.

2020-02-03 18:54:32 UTC  

@Korin Dickman anyways what are your thoughts

2020-02-03 18:57:08 UTC  

Wiccans are definitely a joke. They are about on the level of artificiality as Scientology if you look into the origins of that movement.
>There were witch cults all over Europe that believed these obviously new age hippy things
>No I don't have any really proof, stop asking.
>Avada cadava

2020-02-03 18:57:40 UTC  

Pagans at least have something to work from.

2020-02-03 18:59:34 UTC  

Well, it depends on the nature of power

2020-02-03 19:00:33 UTC  

It's becoming readily apparent that secularism alone cannot support the complex and cancerous network of "rights" that Power creates contingently to justify their actions.

2020-02-03 19:00:41 UTC  

Modern atheists and progressives represent actually what preceded Indo_European paganism

2020-02-03 19:01:00 UTC  

The old matriarchal fertility cults of early European farmers

2020-02-03 19:01:17 UTC  

So BAP claims

2020-02-03 19:02:50 UTC  

If we're turning back to that it's only a question of time old paganism will supplant it too which is highly hierarchical, masculine and idealistic as far as we can tell or another potent meme will do the job

2020-02-03 19:02:54 UTC  

Maybe islam idk

2020-02-03 19:03:16 UTC  

I could see muslims taking over countries and shitlibs converting en masse to avoid paying Jizya

2020-02-03 19:04:00 UTC  

I was just reading another conversation on this server where they theorized that Islam is just as succeptible to being absorbed into the ideological mold that is secular liberalism

2020-02-03 19:05:12 UTC  

I don't actually think so. As German I've seen secularized muslims

2020-02-03 19:05:26 UTC  

Secularized as in tainted by liberalism

2020-02-03 19:05:57 UTC  

First gen guestworkers were pretty ok, behaved well etc.
2nd gen and onwards it only goes downhill

2020-02-03 19:06:12 UTC  

They never really drop islam, jsut violate its principles

2020-02-03 19:06:32 UTC  

Which also leads some of them to want to repent in a typically islamic way

2020-02-03 19:06:49 UTC  

Either they become salafists and do nothing or they cause issues

2020-02-03 19:07:22 UTC  

Hard to say

2020-02-03 19:07:23 UTC  

In my city there's actually quite a number of salafists because Hamburg didn't want them to organize there

2020-02-03 19:07:37 UTC  

You see them walking around from time to time

2020-02-03 19:07:46 UTC  

In white robes with long beards

2020-02-03 19:08:23 UTC  

I've also been to an Ahmadiyya mosque back in my school days

2020-02-03 19:08:26 UTC  

It's not islam

2020-02-03 19:08:32 UTC  

Islam has a history of being able to hijack liberal-backed uprisings

2020-02-03 19:08:45 UTC  

Ahmadiyya?

2020-02-03 19:09:22 UTC  

Yeah it's a really minor sect of muslims which jsut ignore the qur'an when they don't like it

2020-02-03 19:09:39 UTC  

They had banners saying "Muhammad liberator of women"

2020-02-03 19:10:03 UTC  

Don't have issues with apostacy (I asked the Imam)

2020-02-03 19:10:26 UTC  

And they're banned from Mecca widely regarded as nonmuslims or apostates in islamic countries

2020-02-03 19:13:16 UTC  

How common are they?