Message from @A B S O L U T I S T

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2020-02-03 22:02:41 UTC  

Like, to steal an analogy from Evola, you might describe perfection as the peak of a mountain, and the process of attaining perfection as ascending that mountain

2020-02-03 22:03:54 UTC  

I'll agree that you can intuit the right way and you can do the same when scaling a mountain (intuitively, the peak is ⬆️)

2020-02-03 22:04:11 UTC  

But this is a mountain no one has been on or even seen

2020-02-03 22:04:47 UTC  

It's like scaling a mountain in a pitch black night. You're as soon to fall down a chasm as you are to find a foot path

2020-02-03 22:10:21 UTC  

I dunno, I agree with 80% of what you have to say

2020-02-03 22:26:59 UTC  

I kind of view it as a Sysyphian task

2020-02-03 22:27:42 UTC  

@Skellington The reasons for Sola Scriptura leading to degeneracy isn't that it's a degenerate notion (at least in the sexual/homoglobo sense of the word), it's that the removal of a central authority in the form of the Holy Spirit through the shared and common experience of Church through 2000 years leave interpretation of the scripture open to corruption from those who would misuse it.

2020-02-03 22:27:56 UTC  

It's not just intuition as well. Ppl try to apply reason to morality all the time though it often ends up miserably

2020-02-03 22:28:07 UTC  

Say Kant's categorical imperative

2020-02-03 22:28:19 UTC  

Or Bentham's weird utilitarian formula

2020-02-03 22:28:26 UTC  

Fr. John Whiteford, an Orthodox priest from Texas, whom I had the pleasure of meeting once, had a good explanation of this here: http://stvladimiraami.org/pamphlets/solascriptura.pdf

2020-02-03 22:29:42 UTC  

sola scritura means that all that is necessary for salvation is in scripture, do you disagree with that

2020-02-03 22:29:59 UTC  

@Mr. Nessel Again, I can't find anything I can completely disagree with you here. An imperfect being trying to achieve perfection on his own through imperfect methods is engaging in a Sysyphian task.

2020-02-03 22:30:39 UTC  

And yes, I agree 100% about your examples of Kant and Bentham

2020-02-03 22:30:57 UTC  

Depends on what you mean by that @Skellington

2020-02-03 22:32:14 UTC  

I don't think owning a bible and reading it- however thoroughly or sincerely- is enough for salvation on it's own

2020-02-03 22:32:54 UTC  

It's like what James 2:19 says

2020-02-03 22:32:55 UTC  

2020-02-03 22:33:39 UTC  

so what else is necessary

2020-02-03 22:34:55 UTC  

Actually following up on what's written

2020-02-03 22:34:58 UTC  

But also look at the account in Acts where Phillip encounters the Ethiopian

2020-02-03 22:35:13 UTC  

Sola scriptura doesn't refer to knowledge being sufficient for salvation

2020-02-03 22:35:21 UTC  

Acts 8:26-40

2020-02-03 22:35:23 UTC  

2020-02-03 22:35:31 UTC  

Lutheranism is explicit about the need of good works and whatnot

2020-02-03 22:35:51 UTC  

The Sola scriptura is pitted against papal infallibility ex cathedra

2020-02-03 22:36:18 UTC  

Oh for sure

2020-02-03 22:36:47 UTC  

i dont understand your argument

2020-02-03 22:36:51 UTC  

But, as in politics, there is a third way here that's better than both

2020-02-03 22:37:02 UTC  

all that is contained in scriputre is what is necessary for salvation

2020-02-03 22:37:33 UTC  

Phillip had explain it to the eunuch, did he not?

2020-02-03 22:37:44 UTC  

Acts 8:31

2020-02-03 22:37:45 UTC  

2020-02-03 22:37:58 UTC  

Whenever catholics try to defend their traditions they always use the bible

2020-02-03 22:38:27 UTC  

the fact that you are quoting scripture to me to prove your point, proves my point

2020-02-03 22:38:40 UTC  

the base is scripture

2020-02-03 22:39:06 UTC  

The two are mutually exclusive?

2020-02-03 22:39:25 UTC  

no

2020-02-03 22:39:34 UTC  

Well, there you go then

2020-02-03 22:39:48 UTC  

I'm not Roman Catholic, btw

2020-02-03 22:40:26 UTC  

its just that some traditions or interpretations become corrupted