Message from @Skellington
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Which is why I say good is intangible
But if perfection exists there has to be a benchmark for it
No, it's an abstraction
The ideal is not an actual state which has been achieved at some point
It doesn't need something to create it as a benchmark
If there is an idealized perfection the implication is that there is some sort of point, however impossible to reach, were something goes from being "imperfect" to "perfect" no?
Well yes in theory and in practice we'll never actually reach it but have to nonetheless continue reaching for it to the best of our abilities
Which I certainly appreciate
But how can you reach for something if you don't know what you are reaching for?
Like, to steal an analogy from Evola, you might describe perfection as the peak of a mountain, and the process of attaining perfection as ascending that mountain
I'll agree that you can intuit the right way and you can do the same when scaling a mountain (intuitively, the peak is ⬆️)
But this is a mountain no one has been on or even seen
It's like scaling a mountain in a pitch black night. You're as soon to fall down a chasm as you are to find a foot path
I dunno, I agree with 80% of what you have to say
I kind of view it as a Sysyphian task
@Skellington The reasons for Sola Scriptura leading to degeneracy isn't that it's a degenerate notion (at least in the sexual/homoglobo sense of the word), it's that the removal of a central authority in the form of the Holy Spirit through the shared and common experience of Church through 2000 years leave interpretation of the scripture open to corruption from those who would misuse it.
It's not just intuition as well. Ppl try to apply reason to morality all the time though it often ends up miserably
Say Kant's categorical imperative
Or Bentham's weird utilitarian formula
Fr. John Whiteford, an Orthodox priest from Texas, whom I had the pleasure of meeting once, had a good explanation of this here: http://stvladimiraami.org/pamphlets/solascriptura.pdf
sola scritura means that all that is necessary for salvation is in scripture, do you disagree with that
@Mr. Nessel Again, I can't find anything I can completely disagree with you here. An imperfect being trying to achieve perfection on his own through imperfect methods is engaging in a Sysyphian task.
And yes, I agree 100% about your examples of Kant and Bentham
Depends on what you mean by that @Skellington
I don't think owning a bible and reading it- however thoroughly or sincerely- is enough for salvation on it's own
It's like what James 2:19 says
so what else is necessary
Actually following up on what's written
But also look at the account in Acts where Phillip encounters the Ethiopian
Sola scriptura doesn't refer to knowledge being sufficient for salvation
Acts 8:26-40
Lutheranism is explicit about the need of good works and whatnot
The Sola scriptura is pitted against papal infallibility ex cathedra
Oh for sure
i dont understand your argument
But, as in politics, there is a third way here that's better than both
all that is contained in scriputre is what is necessary for salvation
Phillip had explain it to the eunuch, did he not?
Acts 8:31