Message from @Skellington

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2020-02-03 22:27:56 UTC  

It's not just intuition as well. Ppl try to apply reason to morality all the time though it often ends up miserably

2020-02-03 22:28:07 UTC  

Say Kant's categorical imperative

2020-02-03 22:28:19 UTC  

Or Bentham's weird utilitarian formula

2020-02-03 22:28:26 UTC  

Fr. John Whiteford, an Orthodox priest from Texas, whom I had the pleasure of meeting once, had a good explanation of this here: http://stvladimiraami.org/pamphlets/solascriptura.pdf

2020-02-03 22:29:42 UTC  

sola scritura means that all that is necessary for salvation is in scripture, do you disagree with that

2020-02-03 22:29:59 UTC  

@Mr. Nessel Again, I can't find anything I can completely disagree with you here. An imperfect being trying to achieve perfection on his own through imperfect methods is engaging in a Sysyphian task.

2020-02-03 22:30:39 UTC  

And yes, I agree 100% about your examples of Kant and Bentham

2020-02-03 22:30:57 UTC  

Depends on what you mean by that @Skellington

2020-02-03 22:32:14 UTC  

I don't think owning a bible and reading it- however thoroughly or sincerely- is enough for salvation on it's own

2020-02-03 22:32:54 UTC  

It's like what James 2:19 says

2020-02-03 22:32:55 UTC  

2020-02-03 22:33:39 UTC  

so what else is necessary

2020-02-03 22:34:55 UTC  

Actually following up on what's written

2020-02-03 22:34:58 UTC  

But also look at the account in Acts where Phillip encounters the Ethiopian

2020-02-03 22:35:13 UTC  

Sola scriptura doesn't refer to knowledge being sufficient for salvation

2020-02-03 22:35:21 UTC  

Acts 8:26-40

2020-02-03 22:35:23 UTC  

2020-02-03 22:35:31 UTC  

Lutheranism is explicit about the need of good works and whatnot

2020-02-03 22:35:51 UTC  

The Sola scriptura is pitted against papal infallibility ex cathedra

2020-02-03 22:36:18 UTC  

Oh for sure

2020-02-03 22:36:47 UTC  

i dont understand your argument

2020-02-03 22:36:51 UTC  

But, as in politics, there is a third way here that's better than both

2020-02-03 22:37:02 UTC  

all that is contained in scriputre is what is necessary for salvation

2020-02-03 22:37:33 UTC  

Phillip had explain it to the eunuch, did he not?

2020-02-03 22:37:44 UTC  

Acts 8:31

2020-02-03 22:37:45 UTC  

2020-02-03 22:37:58 UTC  

Whenever catholics try to defend their traditions they always use the bible

2020-02-03 22:38:27 UTC  

the fact that you are quoting scripture to me to prove your point, proves my point

2020-02-03 22:38:40 UTC  

the base is scripture

2020-02-03 22:39:06 UTC  

The two are mutually exclusive?

2020-02-03 22:39:25 UTC  

no

2020-02-03 22:39:34 UTC  

Well, there you go then

2020-02-03 22:39:48 UTC  

I'm not Roman Catholic, btw

2020-02-03 22:40:26 UTC  

its just that some traditions or interpretations become corrupted

2020-02-03 22:40:29 UTC  

like indulgences

2020-02-03 22:40:34 UTC  

But what I've been taught within the Orthodox Church is that, yes, Scripture is the base

2020-02-03 22:40:47 UTC  

protestants just disagreed with the catholics interpetations, so we split

2020-02-03 22:40:51 UTC  

But there is Holy Tradition that has grown from it

2020-02-03 22:41:20 UTC  

But if it's a matter of interpretation, by what standard can it all be judged?

2020-02-03 22:41:45 UTC  

Or, more clearly, how can you tell if one interpretation is right where the other is wrong?

2020-02-03 22:42:03 UTC  

you debate it