Message from @Mr. Byzantium

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2019-03-12 16:02:05 UTC  

And what does that have to do with anything?

2019-03-12 16:02:28 UTC  

That your claims of Orthodoxy being Enlightenment crazed is nonsense

2019-03-12 16:03:32 UTC  

First, orthodoxy isn't just "monasteries"

2019-03-12 16:04:05 UTC  

Second, I have just applied your logic that something is bad and must be hated if it doesn't magically protect you against enlightement nonsense. Nothing is going to make the world inmune against that

2019-03-12 16:04:07 UTC  

For the best understanding I am saying it is to be found in monasteries

2019-03-12 16:04:30 UTC  

Monasteries alone can't rule a country.

2019-03-12 16:04:55 UTC  

But without monasteries a country can’t be worth anything

2019-03-12 16:05:29 UTC  

and we look at fascism

2019-03-12 16:05:35 UTC  

and we see that tere were plenty of monasteries

2019-03-12 16:05:44 UTC  

Like during Franco's rule, for example

2019-03-12 16:05:49 UTC  

Plenty of them to steal from apparently

2019-03-12 16:05:52 UTC  

And do not say "those don't count because they are catholic"

2019-03-12 16:05:55 UTC  

Okay

2019-03-12 16:06:21 UTC  

What are you even talking about? Are you even aware of how much Franco promoted Christianity?

2019-03-12 16:06:27 UTC  

So according to your logic if the communists managed to destroy all monasteries in Russia, then it means that it wouldn't be worth saving anyway and might as well remain communist?

2019-03-12 16:06:40 UTC  

There is that magical idea

2019-03-12 16:06:48 UTC  

That something is terrible if it doesn't create some magical barrier

2019-03-12 16:06:55 UTC  

That protects you from anything in the future

2019-03-12 16:07:17 UTC  

It seems that to be good, you don't have to achieve true prosperity during your time, but during eternity

2019-03-12 16:07:34 UTC  

The Virgin Mary protected the church in Russia. Your hypotheticals don’t mean anything in a world where God prevents such things from happening

2019-03-12 16:08:29 UTC  

You doubt God’s providence

2019-03-12 16:08:36 UTC  

russia has been ridden with communist, ridden with abortions now too. the govenrment is democratic and protects muslims among many other things.

2019-03-12 16:09:16 UTC  

I don't doubt God's providence. I just don't assume anything good has to enjoy a protective providence for eternity.

2019-03-12 16:09:18 UTC  

And yet we know the whole world will become Orthodox, that even our saints say Rome will be corrected.

2019-03-12 16:10:02 UTC  

Big surprise, orthodox saints talk fondly about orthodoxy.

2019-03-12 16:10:28 UTC  

They speak truth

2019-03-12 16:10:29 UTC  

Not that there are not many things to correct about rome in the wordly sense.

2019-03-12 16:11:21 UTC  

St. John of Kronstadat spoke of the clown masses and the liturgical reform of Vatican II

2019-03-12 16:11:38 UTC  

Way before it even happened

2019-03-12 16:12:17 UTC  

And the children of Fatima already heard of inner fights etc etc.

2019-03-12 16:12:46 UTC  

So how do you think to change society with the churches in turmoil?

2019-03-12 16:13:36 UTC  

Well, either some righteous leader will somehow rise to a position of power, be it in wordly rule or the Church, or chaos will reuslt in a disaster and good people will have to rebuild

2019-03-12 16:13:52 UTC  

Which leads us to fascism

2019-03-12 16:13:56 UTC  

Is that not hoping in God’s providence?

2019-03-12 16:14:14 UTC  

Yes, I hipe that god will bring us a great fascist dictator that will implant a monarchy

2019-03-12 16:14:29 UTC  

Gotta go. Bye, my autistic compadres.

2019-03-12 16:14:37 UTC  

But you yourself can’t determine how God chooses to implement anything

2019-03-12 16:15:27 UTC  

If you manage to rise to the top then it means God has chosen you.

2019-03-12 16:15:57 UTC  

If you dont, nor do you want to, it means God hasn't chosen you to lead. But this means your job is to follow

2019-03-12 16:16:16 UTC  

You risk failing and being considered rebellious

2019-03-12 16:16:44 UTC  

Sounds kind of like Christ