@Grengar https://youtu.be/vRVQD4FKPrY

I think there is a problem with the obscure definition of "occult"

And I think I may have fared better to refer to my area of interest as of the "esoteric"

if it weren’t shady it would be more widely known

Equally obscure but much less ebil sounding

It seems that a lot of people who practice "magic" are actually just insane

I really think there is nothing to it

Except a massive amount of demonic oppression lending to delusion

Esoteric philosophy is some pretty good stuff though and I will defend my study of it as a Christian anytime it is attacked.

Btw have you guys ever read in to rosicrucianism at all?

Those dudes are fuckin hilarious

There's some theories that they never existed and are just a Lutheran meme to scare the church

there is hardcore occultism out there

rosicrucians are part of it aswell

they're directly linked to freemasonry

Freemasons modeled themselves after rosicrucians after all the wild claims that they reported

Pretty much every occult order did

All because of some writing on the walls in paris

Fuckin epic

I think these days the high level luciferians probably maintain the highly ritualistic quackery to keep the lower circles from doing anything

the duality of man

the rosicrucians seem to be older than freemasonry

and yeah, that's also true, the low-ranked masons don't even know what they're actually preaching for until a certain masonic degree

Rosicrucians claimed a great tradition but in reality the concept never existed until the mid to late 1600s

I believe the luciferian beliefs start to show up from the 8th degree

Something like that

I have heard there are secret degrees beyond the 33rd

nah, they did exist even in the early 1400's

Proof?

Mid to late 1500s*

https://www.crystalinks.com/rosicrucian.html

To my knowledge

>according to a legend published in the 1700s

Christian Rosencrux never existed

Kind of busy here now but I'll try to pull some sources that are lighter than 300 page books later

how did he never exist?

Hold up

For starters the idea that a man named rosencrux was given visions to start an order of the Rosey Cross is sus

That's not my evidence though

his name even shows up on the book The Secret Teachings of All Ages from the notorious luciferian mason Manly P Hall

Of course