Esoteric philosophy is some pretty good stuff though and I will defend my study of it as a Christian anytime it is attacked.

Btw have you guys ever read in to rosicrucianism at all?

Those dudes are fuckin hilarious

There's some theories that they never existed and are just a Lutheran meme to scare the church

there is hardcore occultism out there

rosicrucians are part of it aswell

they're directly linked to freemasonry

Freemasons modeled themselves after rosicrucians after all the wild claims that they reported

Pretty much every occult order did

All because of some writing on the walls in paris

Fuckin epic

I think these days the high level luciferians probably maintain the highly ritualistic quackery to keep the lower circles from doing anything

the duality of man

the rosicrucians seem to be older than freemasonry

and yeah, that's also true, the low-ranked masons don't even know what they're actually preaching for until a certain masonic degree

Rosicrucians claimed a great tradition but in reality the concept never existed until the mid to late 1600s

I believe the luciferian beliefs start to show up from the 8th degree

Something like that

I have heard there are secret degrees beyond the 33rd

nah, they did exist even in the early 1400's

Proof?

Mid to late 1500s*

https://www.crystalinks.com/rosicrucian.html

To my knowledge

>according to a legend published in the 1700s

Christian Rosencrux never existed

Kind of busy here now but I'll try to pull some sources that are lighter than 300 page books later

how did he never exist?

Hold up

For starters the idea that a man named rosencrux was given visions to start an order of the Rosey Cross is sus

That's not my evidence though

his name even shows up on the book The Secret Teachings of All Ages from the notorious luciferian mason Manly P Hall

Of course

It's supposed to be a book detailing the traditions and beliefs of every influential esoteric order

Something doesn't have to physically exist to be influential

here's what it says about Christian there:
"Evidence points to the probable existence of two distinct Rosicrucian bodies: an inner organization whose members never revealed their identity or teachings to the world, and an outer body under the supervision of the inner group. In all probability, the symbolic tomb of Christian Rosencreutz, Knight of the Golden Stone, was in reality this outer body, the spirit of which is in a more exalted sphere. For a period of more than a century subsequent to 1614, the outer body circulated tracts and manifestoes under either its own name or the names of various initiated members. The purpose of these writings was apparently to confuse and mislead investigators, and thus effectively to conceal the actual designs of the Fraternity."

I gotta go to sleep but I'll answer you tomorrow

We can talk about it then

Right now isn't a great time for me to be pulling sources and such

take your time

It is very possible that it was created as a front/vetting system for another more secretive order