yeah I always read it as "endure whatever may be thrown at you"

If Satan were to take your coat, then give him your cloak too - for the Earth should mean nothing to men of God; ascetics and anti-materialists. As is the same of our bodies, mere earthly vessels - why martyrs are so ready to die for God. They understand that they can present their cheeks until their death. To deny God in order to save oneself would be as Peter denied Christ no less than thrice

And so Peter knew his shame

Anyway. The sermon is well summarised by simply saying people will persecute men of da cloth, so let them. Do not deny God, however. Love the enemy as God loves them

Thanks a lot buny

Also regarding this, a friend of mine is seriously considering mutilating his right hand since he commits the sin of masturbation

WEW

i know it sounds silly, but just to be sure

Admirable devotion but very extreme

you're not actually required to, right?

No lmao

lmao thanks i just wanted to hear someone else saying it

That’s just like people that used to cut their backs as penance

Very extreme measures, admirable but not encouraged

i'll tell him to better keep his arm and learn willpower

If anything discouraged, your hand may be material but it can still help do God’s work

I ain’t never jerked it 😎 he can learn to get better

If anything it’s more admirable and a greater show of faith to conquer it himself rather than doing something like that

yeah sounds better

also he will need his hands to do labor and stuff

Exactly

alright thx m8s

Yeah. Going to such measures in order to not sin is called mortification of the flesh, to mortify a part of the body (kill it). Of course as we know, the logical conclusion to this is that as man sins, the only way to stop man through mortification of the flesh is to simply kill all men, which is not the intention of our Lord. It's most extreme forms, like imitating the Passion at Calvary are considered forbidden. Nevertheless, there are still practitioners of extreme mortifiers of the flesh like Filipino traditionalists

Of course, there is devotional mortification, like kneeling down. It hurts the knees but we do it anyway out of love, respect and faith for and in God

But there's a difference in devotional mortification and what we could call "preventative" mortification

As the Bible constantly tells us, if we are not tested then we can never know our faith; and the strongest zealots come from within the belly of the beast

@ElPacho

oh so it's not entirely bad

we should not just take it to extremes

Cutting off your hand is

yeah like cutting off your hand

and stuff

is flagellation actually painful

The line between extreme and moderate is the difference between whether something is done out of love for God, or fear of sin

If we do something out of love, then it's devotion; if we do something out of fear, then it isn't our true intention

He could still want to jerk it but can't, which goes against concepts of desire

It all comes down to what we want, and whether we act on it. If he still wants it but *can't* act on it because of preventative mortification, it's still really bad

wanting to commit sin even if you can't still counts?

I believe so yes

i see

i'll tell him this and also recommend him a spiritual guide