lmao thanks i just wanted to hear someone else saying it

That’s just like people that used to cut their backs as penance

Very extreme measures, admirable but not encouraged

i'll tell him to better keep his arm and learn willpower

If anything discouraged, your hand may be material but it can still help do God’s work

I ain’t never jerked it 😎 he can learn to get better

If anything it’s more admirable and a greater show of faith to conquer it himself rather than doing something like that

yeah sounds better

also he will need his hands to do labor and stuff

Exactly

alright thx m8s

Yeah. Going to such measures in order to not sin is called mortification of the flesh, to mortify a part of the body (kill it). Of course as we know, the logical conclusion to this is that as man sins, the only way to stop man through mortification of the flesh is to simply kill all men, which is not the intention of our Lord. It's most extreme forms, like imitating the Passion at Calvary are considered forbidden. Nevertheless, there are still practitioners of extreme mortifiers of the flesh like Filipino traditionalists

Of course, there is devotional mortification, like kneeling down. It hurts the knees but we do it anyway out of love, respect and faith for and in God

But there's a difference in devotional mortification and what we could call "preventative" mortification

As the Bible constantly tells us, if we are not tested then we can never know our faith; and the strongest zealots come from within the belly of the beast

@ElPacho

oh so it's not entirely bad

we should not just take it to extremes

Cutting off your hand is

yeah like cutting off your hand

and stuff

is flagellation actually painful

The line between extreme and moderate is the difference between whether something is done out of love for God, or fear of sin

If we do something out of love, then it's devotion; if we do something out of fear, then it isn't our true intention

He could still want to jerk it but can't, which goes against concepts of desire

It all comes down to what we want, and whether we act on it. If he still wants it but *can't* act on it because of preventative mortification, it's still really bad

wanting to commit sin even if you can't still counts?

I believe so yes

i see

i'll tell him this and also recommend him a spiritual guide

need to get one myself too now that i'm at it

😄

Good luck

thx bud

Okay how probable is it that descendants of Adam were names of dynasties and not singular people?

I would disagree. But I hold strongly to the traditional Creationist view.

It is also probable, @Deleted User that Adam and eve weren't the only humans created. Remember when Cain was banished, he was scared of being murdered by others, and God planted a seal of protection on him..? :)

Oh yeah.

I don't think anyone argues that.

@Kwik_skoper no god only made Adam and eve and told them to procreate to populate the earth
Genesis 1:26 genesis 2:18
Genesis 1:28 so in actuallity when you say cain was scared of being murdered by others he was scared of being murdered by the descendants of Adam and eve since he came from them and he would know how many people they gave birth too

**Genesis 1:26 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<26> Then God said, "Let us make humankind in our image, according to our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the wild animals of the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth."```

**Genesis 2:18 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<18> Then the Lord God said, "It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him a helper as his partner." ```