Message from @Stephen Levi

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2020-01-06 07:57:13 UTC  

Only the moral law is preserved in the new covenant, the ceremony has passed away with the temple and all of its trappings.

2020-01-06 08:06:11 UTC  

I see the cleanliness laws as something that make you clean. It is not the only thing that is required for you to be clean, as you need to abstain from moral sin too, but i am trying to see the purpose of the food regulations and i connected the Nazarene vow with that. The temple and the sacrifices are not needed anymore and the civil laws can't be done, for the reason being we are in an exile. Being clean for the sacrifices i believe it was for the priest who could get in the tabernacle, but for the rest of Israel I don't think it was commanded for that.

2020-01-06 08:11:09 UTC  

ceremonially clean

2020-01-06 08:11:18 UTC  

for sacrifice in the temple

2020-01-06 08:11:51 UTC  

The nazarite vow was not a command either, it was a vow

2020-01-06 08:11:57 UTC  

But the sacrifice the priest was making it, you weren't allowed to get close to there

2020-01-06 08:12:11 UTC  

Yes it wasnt a command i didnt say the opposite

2020-01-06 08:12:17 UTC  

The priest made the sacrifice, but you still had to be fit to present it

2020-01-06 08:12:36 UTC  

Yes by not inside the clean place

2020-01-06 08:12:37 UTC  

Otherwise the sacrifice was worthless

2020-01-06 08:13:01 UTC  

The clean place was were you were going to make the sacrifice, the alta

2020-01-06 08:13:04 UTC  

Altar

2020-01-06 08:13:22 UTC  

So you weren't touching anything clean either way

2020-01-06 08:13:31 UTC  

You had to be ceremonially clean to present the sacrifice, and you had to be able to present the sacrifice for absolution

2020-01-06 08:13:51 UTC  

It was never about anything being "clean" in any literal sense

2020-01-06 08:13:53 UTC  

Hm

2020-01-06 08:14:10 UTC  

It was the following of the commands and the adjustment of the heart

2020-01-06 08:14:17 UTC  

Do you remember the place in the bible that is said

2020-01-06 08:14:55 UTC  

Not by heart, Exodus or Leviticus I believe

2020-01-06 08:15:40 UTC  

No not that

2020-01-06 08:16:05 UTC  

That they needed to be clean just to present the animal and kill it

2020-01-06 08:16:20 UTC  

That's what ceremonial cleanliness is for

2020-01-06 08:16:52 UTC  

Well i dont remember that you needed to do that as a non priest for the sacrifice

2020-01-06 08:16:54 UTC  

God didn't just make arbitrary diet laws for no reason, it was all to serve a purpose for that covenant

2020-01-06 08:17:16 UTC  

Yes, i believe that there is a purpose

2020-01-06 08:17:32 UTC  

I just dont think that for the regular Israelite that was the reason

2020-01-06 08:17:37 UTC  

The priest had further obligation to keep ceremonial cleanliness, and had to go further than laymen, but most of the laws pertained to common people for that reason

2020-01-06 08:18:04 UTC  

Otherwise the 'cleanliness' would be pointless

2020-01-06 08:18:09 UTC  

But they weren't to touch anything holy

2020-01-06 08:18:20 UTC  

They weren't regardless

2020-01-06 08:18:24 UTC  

Not it is not, as i said i connect that to the vow

2020-01-06 08:18:32 UTC  

The vow is irrelevant

2020-01-06 08:18:42 UTC  

No its not lol

2020-01-06 08:18:44 UTC  

Ok so

2020-01-06 08:19:04 UTC  

It was a sect of people doing a side thing, like monks

2020-01-06 08:19:15 UTC  

Not everyone is expected to live as a monk

2020-01-06 08:19:26 UTC  

I believe that keeping the cleanliness laws makes a room for the holy spirit to get in

2020-01-06 08:19:43 UTC  

The holy spirit is already in

2020-01-06 08:19:45 UTC  

I believe that if the room isnt clean the holy spirit wont likely get in

2020-01-06 08:20:02 UTC  

Well I dont think that it is in everyone

2020-01-06 08:20:04 UTC  

The holy spirit does what it pleases