Message from @Stephen Levi
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so might as well keep asking
Not unless He willed it to be so
So if he wants you can see him?
Or be in his presence?
He tolerates our existence, He chooses to dwell in us and help remake us in His image, God was even present to the desciples, who were deeply flawed men particularly while Christ was on earth, during the Transfiguration
There is nothing that prevents God from being where He wants to be how He wants to be
Yeah but he was in a human form
It is not that he is prevented
There is nothing stopping him from protecting who it is in His will to protect
But i am not saying that exactly
The term "see" is a dangerous thing, there are manifestations, then there is what is called seeing his divinity which can be considered impossible because of the essence of divinity
Not exactly, but you are saying it
He can protect you from evil without you being in his presence
Even when it comes to other persons of the Trinity, while they can manifest themselves, we do not see their divinity, which would be beyond us
And i mean his glory, which can be destructive as we heard
I mean, one could even argue God revealed his divinity to John in his Apocalypse, which would explain many of the visions and the incomprehensible nature of some of what is spoken of in that book.
I think they were just visions tbh
Prophetic visions, many of which struggle to be put into words by admission what was seen
Yes exactly
I was going to say that
Could easily have been at least in part the full divinity of God, same with the appearance on the road to Damascus to Paul
Fear and terror and awe always accompany God revealing himself
The uncreated light, as heysachists call it
Right, that is why i think that the holy spirit as God is not likely to get in a moraly unclean person, not because it cant but because it decides to not
Because it is destructive to the human, to have God inside him when he is unclean
Paul was as morally unclean as it gets
He slaughtered Christians
Yes but he changed
After
What about people who decide to give their lives to Christ?
Well when did he get the holy spirit?
He got it by grace
When God appeared on the road to Damascus, Paul was presently a blasphemer and a murderer
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Yes but when did he receive it?
Not until he was blinded and left there to seek shelter with a Christian did he receive grace, far after the fact
And everyone is getting it by grace.
Yes he changed though
After
He dependent