Message from @Stephen Levi
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Ceremonial cleanliness has zero bearing
I was talking specifically for moral cleanliness here
That they weren't moraly clean
Ceremonial cleanliness was righteousness when it was the standing order from God, to continue presenting sacrifice. Moral cleanliness is a completely seperate concept altogether, and it's something nobody has
Nobody is morally clean, that's why Christ came to bestow grace
No according to Paul ceremonial cleanliness wasn't making you righteous even at the time of the law.
It was righteous because it was following God's commands, not because it had power in itself
According to Paul it wasn't.
He made the Abraham example many times to show that
That he was declared righteous before he circumcised
Abraham did what God told him to do, and that was counted as righteousness
the law is the same
Following the law was not righteousness, following it because it was what God commanded was
The way that Paul was talking about this, seemed that he wanted to imply that acts dont make you righteous
Acts don't make you righteous
Obeying God's commands does
Yes but Paul specifically was talking about commands of God there
No, he was speaking of blind obedience to the law, that from which the Pharisees derived their tradition
He was speaking of acts dont make you righteous, specifically the circumcision which was a commandment of God.
They had no interest in God, they rejected Him when He was made manifest because of their blind devotion to 'the law' and the idol they'd made of it
I just remembered something
Yes you are correct
He was speaking specifically that circumcision wasnt making you righteous
Not acts
Ok my bad
This is a good illustration of where you've been getting caught up here
Well then the holy spirit enters the body whatever the state of the body is?
If that is God's will
Ok sure then
Ok so back to the purpose of the food regulations
You said that it was for the temple
Back to what you're caught up in
But the common Israelites didn't need to be clean
Where does it say the opposite?
Yes they did
But they weren't in a holy place. They were outside the tabernacle and i believe outside the yard of the tabernacle too
Or the opening could mean the opening of the tent
Not the opening of the yard
Maybe before entering Canaan, but after the establishment of the Temple they had to enter the temple, which was all holy
Yes but we are talking about the covenant and that was with the tabernacle