And thinking out loud

Jesus' attitude towards the Pharisees throughout the entirety of the Gospel

I tend to speak here under the assumption you've read the bible because I don't have a scholar's brain, I don't memorize numbers and citations I just know the stories

and that's a pretty basic one

Ok ok

I am speaking specifically about the holy spirit

The Pharisees were hypocrites keeping the laws that everyone could see and not the more important ones.

The Holy Spirit is God and share's his intent and will with Christ, the Pharisees did not receive the spirit as the apostles and early church did because they were caught up in the legalistic framework they worshipped, not the Law awaiting fulfillment that was fulfilled in Christ. Obsession over the law led to the Talmudic Judaism of today, that bears no resemblance to the living work of the living God. The law of Moses is impossible to keep without the temple and without temple sacrifice, which has ended because Christ was the final sacrifice. The Pharisees and then the 'jews' were left behind with their dead law, while the followers of Christ shed it and gained life.

I told you they weren't moraly clean and God decides himself where to give it. The Pharisees were not clean, as ceremonial cleanliness is not only what makes someone clean. Also God wanted the followers of Christ to receive it, for obvious reasons.

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Ceremonial cleanliness has zero bearing

I was talking specifically for moral cleanliness here

That they weren't moraly clean

Ceremonial cleanliness was righteousness when it was the standing order from God, to continue presenting sacrifice. Moral cleanliness is a completely seperate concept altogether, and it's something nobody has

Nobody is morally clean, that's why Christ came to bestow grace

No according to Paul ceremonial cleanliness wasn't making you righteous even at the time of the law.

It was righteous because it was following God's commands, not because it had power in itself

According to Paul it wasn't.

He made the Abraham example many times to show that

That he was declared righteous before he circumcised

Abraham did what God told him to do, and that was counted as righteousness

the law is the same

Following the law was not righteousness, following it because it was what God commanded was

The way that Paul was talking about this, seemed that he wanted to imply that acts dont make you righteous

Acts don't make you righteous

Obeying God's commands does

Yes but Paul specifically was talking about commands of God there

No, he was speaking of blind obedience to the law, that from which the Pharisees derived their tradition

He was speaking of acts dont make you righteous, specifically the circumcision which was a commandment of God.

They had no interest in God, they rejected Him when He was made manifest because of their blind devotion to 'the law' and the idol they'd made of it

Wait wait

I just remembered something

Yes you are correct

He was speaking specifically that circumcision wasnt making you righteous

Not acts

Ok my bad

This is a good illustration of where you've been getting caught up here

Well then the holy spirit enters the body whatever the state of the body is?

If that is God's will

Ok sure then

Ok so back to the purpose of the food regulations