Message from @Grengar

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2020-01-11 22:49:49 UTC  

Why would anyone

2020-01-11 22:49:53 UTC  

ANYONE in his right mind

2020-01-11 22:50:03 UTC  

ANYONE who has even the slighest knowledge of the gospel

2020-01-11 22:50:23 UTC  

Go to those places with a purpose beyond witnessing gross perversion?

2020-01-11 22:50:46 UTC  

Honestly they're not all as bad as the Osteen Zone

2020-01-11 22:50:57 UTC  

The message was pretty ok

2020-01-11 22:51:00 UTC  

Some of them are just really big normal prot churches

2020-01-11 22:51:19 UTC  

A big Church, ok

2020-01-11 22:51:28 UTC  

But when, as mentioned, it looks like a stadium

2020-01-11 22:52:06 UTC  

Lol you guys all have a serious issue of conflating aesthetics with morality.

2020-01-11 22:52:12 UTC  

Sometimes they literally are just aircraft hangars with a stage set up, because it's relatively cheap

2020-01-11 22:52:50 UTC  

If I'm wanna witness in a dark stadium with bad music that's my business lol

2020-01-11 22:53:04 UTC  

The Church is meant to be a monument to Our Lord's Heaven on Earth, that is why any Church built before the turn of the 20th Century was built in the most meticulous fashion.

2020-01-11 22:53:12 UTC  

Non-denominational churches tend to prioritize function over form, almost exclusively to their detriment spiritually but financially it makes sense

2020-01-11 22:53:13 UTC  

Glass and Steel, a house to God does not make.

2020-01-11 22:53:32 UTC  

They may as well be Materialists, then, if they refuse to acknowledge to *form* of the divine.

2020-01-11 22:53:33 UTC  

And most megachurches are non denominational

2020-01-11 22:53:50 UTC  

Let me rephrase that, they *are* materialists.

2020-01-11 22:54:06 UTC  

Most modern people are materialists

2020-01-11 22:54:22 UTC  

Seriously

2020-01-11 22:54:31 UTC  

It's a pretty tall claim to imply that you aren't

2020-01-11 22:54:46 UTC  

Not that I would know of course

2020-01-11 22:54:51 UTC  

Materialism is more in and of itself than the love of stuff.

2020-01-11 22:54:59 UTC  

I mean, I wouldn't consider myself one

2020-01-11 22:55:11 UTC  

It's a matter of priorities

2020-01-11 22:55:13 UTC  

When we say materialists, we aren't talking about the sort of people who rush to a Black Friday sale.

2020-01-11 22:55:33 UTC  

Technically we are but not for that reason tbh

2020-01-11 22:55:56 UTC  

To be a materialist in a, uh, less material sense, if you'll excuse the pun; is to deny or be ignorant of the metaphysical realm

2020-01-11 22:56:04 UTC  

And that is the case we are describing here.

2020-01-11 22:56:24 UTC  

Or just to prioritize the physical realm over the metaphysical

2020-01-11 22:57:06 UTC  

Well, yes, there is that, but I believe we're at a point where we have far surpassed a matter of mistaken priority.

2020-01-11 22:57:22 UTC  

This is what happens when you stop teaching the Greeks in school, smh.

2020-01-11 22:59:12 UTC  

The point should be objective, not deconstructivist, beauty when building a church. The pragmatist materialist view is whatever building is empty. The deconstructivist modernist archetecture comes from the materialist who deprioritizes the metaphysical to try to make a physical statement about their own metaphysics at the expense of the congregation for the indefinite period of it's existence.

2020-01-11 23:19:49 UTC  

The house of God should reflect the beauty of his presence in the best way we can, after all, you wouldn’t house a King in a square, same as you wouldn’t welcome him with an electric guitar, specially the King of Kings

2020-01-11 23:24:42 UTC  

Well, yes and no.

2020-01-11 23:24:51 UTC  

Ours is a King who rides a Colt, after all.

2020-01-11 23:24:53 UTC  

*However*.

2020-01-11 23:25:10 UTC  

You are correct, we are building something that is evocative of Heaven.

2020-01-11 23:25:22 UTC  

The Mass in and of itself is supposed to be a glimpse of Heaven.

2020-01-11 23:25:57 UTC  

I don't know if you were on the call when I discussed it.

2020-01-11 23:26:13 UTC  

But I was talking about the Anglo-Saxon architecture of English churches.