Not exactly a Jimmy Akin type of priest, but he talks about what I'm talking about

@MawLr

@Daniil better a poop covered stake in my ass than a poop covered dick 🙏

PM of Finland wants shekelberg and Muhammad to move in obviously

She’s over here saying the “american dream” is more easily achieved in Nordic countries

Plus Finn larping as a nord that’s just sad

@Mac tíre iarain we should send the 13%

Yes

Rally the n words

Bloods and crips unite

Time to take the nords

we all know Finns are the real T'au

How do you want me to put it? I know that I shouldn’t be scandalized and I know that Rome still holds authority and I adhere to said authority, but seriously, you’re borderline cringe by defending Francis for his opinions; I can have a valid opinion of disgust seeing how our Pope basically loses credibility bit by bit, doesn’t mean I’ll back from the faith

@MawLr if reading these articles scandalizes you then you should not be reading them at all. This doesn't mean that you pretend that there are no problems in the Church or the Vatican at all, but rather that you choose not to give them your attention unless there is something positive that you can do about it. It's about cultivating the virtue of Hope. Furthermore, you should spread scandal around needlessly for the sake of others around you.

Finally, we moderns are all too fixated on opinions of this or that. Valid opinion? Maybe, but what exactly does that mean? Well that just means that you have a view on something, and it's not entirely arbitrary. It's not anything special. Gossiping is a form of sharing your opinion, but we don't say they have a right to gossip (at least not morally).

@Mac tíre iarain Make Finland Colored Again

I will humbly accept your comments, but if this means we should completely ignore what happens at Rome, what happens with our bishops and what happens in the synods, at the end of the day, we'll be like the women whose candle oil finished before the groom arrived, if we do not keep vigilance, we'll soon realize that we could've helped others avoid falling for the wolves in sheepskin, truly I agree that silence is often the best way to go, but we have reached a point where even those Cardinals who advocated for silence can no longer keep quiet

You can cite this or that time when we had an unpious pope, but the truth is that modern times are unprecedented with the sheer level of apostasy, you have homosexuals running the show and money being the true evil behind it all

I agree, and if you try to take it all in then you will be scandalized. It can lead to despair even

Which is why we ought to avoid blackpills

I am also well aware that I, being a cesspool of vice and sin, cannot ask a fellow human to live in accordance to virtue, however I am not questioning how the Pope lives, I am questioning actions that were completely avoidable and that go against the very institution he leads, for I care not about seeing his sins, I care about that which is established as law for those under the service of God

And I'm afraid that giving the Holy Communion to a person who openly defends a condemnable sin will only lead to major confusion amongst those shallow in the faith

I already have had people come ask me to what degree is this or that condemnable, excusing themselves in that the pope said this or that

People look at him as a leader, and those who are not well versed in the faith will take his opinions as a good starting point, thus leading them to truly blind themselves in justifying sin

Furthermore, we must not forget that even when our bishops or popes are morally or theologically compromised we are still under their authority which comes to them from God. And because of this relationship we have to them we own them a manner of respect. Far too often trads are willing to disrespect the bishops and the Pope and make excuses for it.

I know that you are right that president Fernández and others like him should not be given Communion not only because of the public sin which they continue to profess (which ought to bar them from Communion) but also because of the scandal it will cause for those weak in the faith. But are you helping anyone by spreading the scandal? My inclination is that you are not helping many people at all, and in fact may be hurting them because either they will think it is morally acceptable to do as Pres. Fernández, or because they will be harmed in the area of Hope.

Furthermore, there are also areas where you can point to in order to correct errors in what people think about Pope Francis's opinions, which are not nearly as Liberal as most people think, granted he is wishy-washy and vague often.

And downright wrong even

And by the way, I just want to say that I think we're now having a much more productive talk today than the other day, and I want to thank you for that.

Yes, our Bishops are Princes of the Church, I'm well aware of that and I thankfully have the fortune of having a Bishop who is well versed with Theology and has already started to remove corrupt priests and I indeed submit to their authority (just as I submit to the Pope) and I am not saying this is an excuse to not show charity.

I do not know what you mean by spreading the scandal, for I have only posted it here, it's not the first time Francis does something questionable but I never indulge in conversations with people in my surroundings about them, in fact I have personally told people who asked me about it to focus on their own shortcomings, for it would be unwise to, as I previously said, judge someone when we are the very first to sin.

It is the fact that he is extremely vague that's the problem, this often leads people into misunderstanding or speculating, which is wrong on both ends, however he is responsible for his opinions and he should definitely try to adhere to what God has taught us in the Holy Scripture.

Believe it or not it is also the first time I post Francis-related news, because most of the time it's just some silly opinion such as saying Our Lady of Guadalupe made Jesus a Mestizo (simple unnecessary and strange to say something like that), however granting the Sacred Body of Christ is 'hot waters' as one would say, because you're committing sacrilege, and that's not fun business

@MawLr why did you post it though?

Also, like I had said the other night, I am talking more about trads in general than you specifically. In fact I am more concerned about the general than you specifically because I don't want to be in any way judge of your own character. The reason I'm asking you why you posted the article at all is because I want to know why you posted it from your own perspective.

But to explain what I mean by spreading the scandal is simply that by sharing the article you are participating in it's circulation. And if you think that just because we're all mostly trads here means that we're not susceptible to scandal (though I don't believe you do) then you'd be mistaken; trads are often very susceptible to scandal and despair, especially when they are focused on the bad things in the Church.

Should the Pope be less vague about all this? Probably, but that's not likely going to change because of trads bitching like we are want to do. And quite honestly I don't think most trads online would stop bitching unless he turned into a perfect pope in their eyes. One need only look at how we purity spiral *without* any real authority.

I don't consider myself a <<trad>>, because not only do I not care for a moment about so called aesthetics nor care for the vain desire of returning to older ages, I merely try to adhere to our ancient teachings and show reverence to the Lord; yes, I'm not a fan of Novus Ordo, but because it basically is an excuse for the highest level of irreverence, not because I want and epic medieval cathedral and girls covering their faces out of, again, vanity.

I posted it because I sincerely believe this goes a bit beyond the usual Francis nonsense, as I said, one thing is to have a completely silly opinion, but when you start to mess with the Sacred Body of Christ like it's something out of protocol, that there actually annoys me and I shared it here to see what you people thought of it, not in a spirit of animosity.

I don't even think anyone here calls himself trad, in fact very few have any actual access to the Extraordinary Rite, but we do share this channel with the Protestants and the Orthodox and a prompt response would've been welcome to see what kind of reactions would it have caused.

Again, back to the trads thing, I honestly don't like them, because they have their faith in the material part of the Church, I could even assure you that most would have not cared about the Eucharist being given to these people because they don't seek God, but a love of the aesthetics.

I don't think I'd go that far against trads, although I do agree with you that often many trads care more about aesthetics than they really ought to. And I do agree with Fr. Chad Ripperger that the majority of trads are actually modernist.

Alright, I believe you that that is the reason you posted it, but you did post it in <#452069937305878530> which is why it looked like Pope-bash posting rather than a prompting for rational discussion.

Yes, abuse of the Holy Sacrament in any manner, but especially under the watch of those who should be protecting the Holy Sacrament, is a tragedy, and this should cause us sorrow and righteous anger. However I still don't think we should share the news of the abuse unless as a call to action - usually prayer.

The reason for this is of course to limit the reaches and spread of scandal, because every time we post these articles it is an invitation to scandal both for those who read them, but also for ourselves.

Very well, I will take your words for a greater good and be more cautious about what I post, or at least give a previous explanation to avoid a wrong interpretation

Paganism is BASED.

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I offer my French welfare checks to Wodanz as sacrifice.

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Ngl, Varg made decent music tho.

Channel went from being a profitable discussion to being retarded in a snap

It's funposting hours Mawlr

By the way, when you returning to the fold