maybe the server will become a haven

I hope so. Im quite new to discord.

I left the original rel because of the out of control autism tbh

Though I did meet a lot of good people.

That page was a great Idea tho. It may raise traffic on the forum

IMO, we should resolve right now to be patient and open to those we disagree with, and to honestly assess issues, and not project a "bundled" narrative onto everything

I feel all the traditionalist groups fail because people aren't patient with each other anymore

People seem to have lost the art of disagreement

you either agree with someone, or totally hate them it seems now

not that sometimes kicking people in the rear isn't needed, such as with blatant blasphemy...

I feel you, man. Maybe we became the snowflakes we despised along the way

One thing I learned going to Russia recently

was that discernment is something almost totally lacking today

while there are certain solid principles given to us by the church and scripture that are eternal

many things are given to us by God

which is why I neither, for example support a "free speech" policy, but am also disturbed by the tight necked atmosphere of many groups

we must at every step, pray for guidance and discernment from God, of the best path

since what we need is usually an answer that goes against our desire to bundle different beliefs together, or to protect our pride

somewhere along the way we tried to write down all the rules for every situation imaginable, when instead we should have been praying to God for his guidance in each situation

thats my take on it

Tbh you summed it all up very well. Often times we choose to follow our own path instead of God's. And we do it without even thinking how wrong it actually is

Modern times have twistes our characters. No longer we strive to become the best we can. It's all been resuced to "how much can I profit and get away with it?"

modern man is the man of extremes

of lust, or of total deprivation. Of apathy, or of anger.

A country of dude bros and drug addicts and rednecks with tattoos and children by 3 wives

but also a good incubator to those whose faith is mechanical, to those who are angry, to those who have given up on trying to give anything to the world

in my opinon, love is often an act of patience, even if the other person does not initially understand it

while lots of people really are crazy and deranged these days

we must sometimes learn to swallow the bullet, and try to see past the grime of this day and age

and to be patient with people, like we should be patient with our friends, or our spouses, and so on

but when to fight, and when to be patient? For surely we cannot be in a constant state of either

for only weak willed liberals are forever patient, and only men on the edge are forever angry?

well, that is where I'd say we should ask God to guide us in our decisions

since people and situations are different, and will require different tools

Honestly. I've a problem with trads, even though I consider myself one, partially.

Curiously my priest told me something similar yesterday. Told me to have patience and see that people are not all bad. The most difficult to me personally, is to restrain my hatred towards the enemies. I see it in class every day. It's depressing how kids 6~8 years old brag about how many girlfriends/boyfriends they have, and how easily they cheat on them just because it's cool. Damn, I understand they don't do anything serious yet, but they will grow thinking this way. Their parents do nothing but laugh and repeat to themselves how it's just kids' play.

How so, Daniil?

That is... horrifying.

They behave like liberals a lot of the time. Getting triggered by any small thing instead of being patient about it.
Then they just wobble off to their own corner to cry and bitch about how everyone's a nazi.

lol true