granted, my perspective on it is going to be somewhat different coming from a more Orthodox setting

I'm Byzantine, so I know where you're coming from.

I feel too many of the reactionaries of the past, they have just had a mechanical faith, or a blind fear of the future. We must embrace what we love, and we must not look at society as an engineering challenge, but as something to be dealt with with prayer and discernment.

Of course, in the end, it is all up to God

in a purely secular sense--we have no power 😛

That's good for us all to remember.

they have the senators and the CEOs and the academics and the artists

and we got...... well I'm a composite technician

not sure what you all are 😛

I'm a bit of an artist.

More literary than otherwise. Honestly, I couldn't draw well to save my life, but there you have it. Give me words, and I'll give you fantasy!

Yeah, so we have to pray, and we have to contemplate what our next step is from God

I am not totally against activism or "practical" things, since sometimes they do bear important fruit, however, God will guide us to where we need to be for best effect

I feel just rushing head on in to these things, or completly writing them off is not giving due consideration in our lives

@Deleted User I ask you to think and discern, whether your idea truly is the best one, or is it just a fit of action, an idea you want to believe, but feel no soul behind?

anyway, I say these things because I am fed up with the cycle, the toxic cycle that seems to dominate a lot of these such groups

either heavily enforced dogma that ignores historical and practical realities, or a free for all of autism, anger, and self defeating rage

I could see it turning up being a good thing for the people involved tbh

we are angry, because no matter how much we say the Jesus Prayer/Pray the Rosary, a lot of us, including me of course, have not really learned to listen

The "how" is the real question there methinks

You know what we need?

We need a good priest.

I think if that is really the way to go, God will reveal to you slowly these things

Indeed

sometimes you just meet people, or some unlikely thing happens that is a game change r

I mean, it's that way with so many things, meeting friends, getting a job, etc

@Romanus Drevo agreed, but I don't have the 40,000 dollars a year to pay for a resident priest

Not yet, you'll be a rich space man in no time

Well, I just meant one to join the Discord here, maybe the forums as well. Give us the guidance we can't give each other.

yeah, because a 2 year technical degree is really where the money is at

well, if God wills it, I am sure we can find a willing priest someday

Perhaps we can try to see what our local priests think about it. That's something we can do

Perhaps

I'm just a steel town girl on a saturday night, looking for the fight of her life... wait, wrong movie....

Not sure what you're referencing, but I'm sure if I did, I'd love the joke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDpmH_tS3kc

this is what I was refrencing 😛

Yep, never heard of it before.

hah

I guess I am the only stickler for old pop culture here

Well, I'm a bit young.