Message from @Charles V

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2018-08-02 14:45:57 UTC  

he was just prudent

2018-08-02 14:46:01 UTC  

A Pagan has no idea what a natural orde ris

2018-08-02 14:46:04 UTC  

Is the reign of LA REINA ISABELA PRIMERA

2018-08-02 14:46:04 UTC  

and prudence is the main virtue in politics

2018-08-02 14:46:09 UTC  

Democratic politics

2018-08-02 14:46:11 UTC  

Monarchy is one of two government types ordained by God @Deleted User

2018-08-02 14:46:21 UTC  

"A Pagan has no idea what a natural orde ris"
then why Aquinas went to search his politics in Aristotle, a Pagan ?

2018-08-02 14:46:24 UTC  

The other being theocracy (see: Moses, Judges)

2018-08-02 14:46:30 UTC  

@Deleted User To gain wisdom

2018-08-02 14:46:35 UTC  

lol

2018-08-02 14:46:42 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/474588863302467594/Smiles.jpg

2018-08-02 14:46:50 UTC  

>Pagans have no idea what natural order is
>They literally advocate for preservation of all races and nature in general

2018-08-02 14:46:51 UTC  

and how can he gain wisdom if "A Pagan has no idea what a natural orde ris"

2018-08-02 14:46:55 UTC  

lmao k

2018-08-02 14:47:00 UTC  

I have a beef with pagans

2018-08-02 14:47:01 UTC  

I wonder if folks like augustine and aquinas relying on pagan thought instead of Christian theology given by revelation has anything to do with the departure of the roman church from christian tradition

2018-08-02 14:47:15 UTC  

But Pagans have their beliefs most centered over nature.

2018-08-02 14:47:16 UTC  

Bringing it back: There are way too many lies and baggage about Hitler and his religion to get any kind of unbiased accurate picture on his personal religious beleifs

2018-08-02 14:47:19 UTC  

Enoch : is there a natural order ?

2018-08-02 14:47:36 UTC  

The natural order is the one that God created that we've been steadily wrecking for X+ years

2018-08-02 14:47:47 UTC  

And the one that Jesus set down when he established the Church

2018-08-02 14:47:50 UTC  

Irrelevant to what I said

2018-08-02 14:47:57 UTC  

I don't see how Hitler helped either of these

2018-08-02 14:47:59 UTC  

no, it is very important

2018-08-02 14:48:19 UTC  

so, is there a natural order ?

2018-08-02 14:48:34 UTC  

Yes

2018-08-02 14:48:39 UTC  

I'm asking Enoch

2018-08-02 14:48:48 UTC  

Ah, my apologies

2018-08-02 14:48:54 UTC  

np my lad

2018-08-02 14:49:02 UTC  

of course there is

2018-08-02 14:49:07 UTC  

good

2018-08-02 14:49:33 UTC  

and nobody that doesn't understand Christian theology can understand it properly

2018-08-02 14:50:01 UTC  

do you find any objection to this sentence "there is a divine natural order and another that is surnatural" ?

2018-08-02 14:50:04 UTC  

You don't live in complete ignorant darkness as a non-Christian it should be said of course

2018-08-02 14:50:13 UTC  

divine not to be mistaken with "spiritual"

2018-08-02 14:50:41 UTC  

What exactly do you mean by there being a divine natural order as well as a supernatural

2018-08-02 14:52:05 UTC  

that the natural order is created by God and that it has its laws made by God, and that there is a surnatural order added on top of the natural one by God that decided to freely make that gift to mankind

2018-08-02 14:52:59 UTC  

What would you say this supernatural order is, then?

2018-08-02 14:59:42 UTC  

I have not clear cut definitions of it but it's basically the order that presupposes the natural order (in order to be added to it), a gift of God in order for us to sublimate our nature thanks to His grace and gifts (for example with Adam and Eve that first had the gift of eternal life, then after the Fall, other gifts like the Revelation, the Church, the Sacraments and all the that goes with that)

2018-08-02 15:04:47 UTC  

Because if you agree that Grace is free, God could have created us without giving it to us, and if the natural order has its laws that are willed by God, we would have lived in it without the Revelation and the Church etc, and still, we would have been living in societies since we would have the human nature nonetheless.

2018-08-02 15:06:53 UTC  

being rational animals, we would have exerced this ability to reason, yet without Grace