Well I don't judge people in SSPX but for me the position I'm trying to work my way towards is this:
insofar as the pope and conciliar church is not being heretical it still has jurisdiction. To be in communion with this church is to be in communion with the one true church, even though evil people and heretics have infiltrated it

Yeah but if SSPX isn't in full communion with Rome then is the Blessed Sacrament even valid there?

If it was I probably would have joined SSPX awhile ago

but from what I can tell the Church doesnt want to bring a strong condemnation down on them to avoid a conflict with 500000 people, but they are technically schismatic in that they aren't in communion with Rome

But if your personal conscience tells you to go there, by all means go ahead, I don't think theres a clear right choice here. SSPX is based, I just hesitate because of the stuff I wrote above

Hot take: SSPX is LARP because the Vatican fully embraced its own second council and new order

Interesting

Better LARP than heresy.

Though I don't think Vatican II is heresy, to clarify.

I dont get it. Catholics wanna leave because they do not agree with the pope

A friend of mine said they wanted to leave because they disagree with his stance on immigration and pro lgbt stuff he does

But where would they go? Nearly every Protestant church is just as bad, if not worse.

Like i am fairly certain you can disagree with some stuff the vatican does e.g. sex abuse, pro immigrant etc

If i thought for one second i had to agree with everything the church does to be catholic this would not be the path i would take

I'm actually going to be studying the doctrine of infallibility this year, so I'll know better in a few weeks or so.

The purpose of the church is to remain resolute in the times, so it can be quite concerning when the modernists crawl their way out of the woodwork

But the men of the church oft forget that they are a transient element of the church.

yeah you only have to agree with dogma and what is taught infallibly which is very narrow

my dilemma has always been what to do when the modernists contradict dogma

They could return to the true church, that's where they could go

The Vatican is as cucked as its bastard Protestant children

I don't think this is an argument we really want to have.

The Church has survived worse than this nonsense.

It's not an argument, it's banter

Hard to tell over the internet.

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Banter

If we were on VC it'd be easier to make it obvious

But I'm at work

Yeah I am being wagecucked as well

Plus I live with people so

I'd rather not VC

I'd rather just be self sufficient in the woods but I like the internet Jew and I also want to support a family one day

Last thing I want is for my family to think I am a nazi with the shit I say

Lol

neet master race

@Byzas don't hate on us lol

The Greek there is probably a FREEMASON and a MODERNIST

I bet he likes the new calendar too!!!

lol

so how are you different from any Protestant if you reject your clergy ?

wasn't calendarism condemned ?

firstly I tried to make it more obvious that I'm kidding around

second
He's not directly above me and he's not some infallible head of the church
It's completely possible for a bishop or patriarch to be a heretic
See: Rome