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Simply put, the EP has no jurisdiction on Russia any more than Antioch has on Alexandria for example
I kind of see the need for it to be honest but as you said on a political level
I don't see any real return of Ukraine to Russian culture
They wouldn't be engaged in a desperate fight against a superpower if they had any desire to return
Full disclosure on my part though uhhhhh I have friends who were in Azov and Pravyi
So perhaps my perception is tainted both by that and my hatred of Duginism
Please feel free to ping me in responses as I have like 6 hours now to sleep before a 9 hour shift
(If you ping me I see it tomorrow)
Hi
>Russian imperialism
If China tore cascadia and half of the midwest out of USA, kept propping up broken democracies and oligarchs that sell off their country's assets for pennies and whenever things go bad just do a revolution (color or armed), would you consider the desire to retake that land as "imperialism"?
@Smackface regardless on how you feel on the Ukraine/Russia situation, Bartholomew has overstepped his boundaries and wants to commune with outright schismatics for (((ecumenism)))
Yea, bart's off his rocker. All that CIA support won't buy him the approval of other patriarchs, not just Russian. The "ecumenical" council of Crete is the proof of that.
I'm just hoping archbishop Demetrios of goarch jumps ship and declares anathema on bart
One can only hope
So I live under a Dwayne Johnson so forgive me, but what did bart do?
Is it about the 2nd marriage for priests thing
It's about Ukraine
Bart wants to install a patriarch for Ukraine effectively usurping the Russian patriarch's authority. And he is giving the privilege to schismatic who want autocephally purely because of political tension between Russia and Ukraine @
Wait a minute. Does Ukraine want their own Patriarch?
I thought due to the autocephalous nature of Orthodox churches, Constantinople doesn't get to exercise such authority like that?
It sounds to me like a situation where autocephaly for a church is only recognized by 1 other church
Indeed, thus has been roundly condemned not just Russia
Yeah I understand why the rest of the patriarchs would not be happy
And it would be bad enough had it just been only between patriarchs but take a look at this
REEE
Yeah this is some pozz shit
That's John McCain and there is the would be Ukraine patriarch
Yeah fuck Bart
Thing is I am thinking bout joining a church that is under Constantinople's jurisdiction
Welp
I mean I'm already in one and besides we are all still one holy Catholic and apostolic church
Hopefully Bart will be removed and the See of Constantinople will have a real patriarch
Just remember that even if the patriarch is a heretic, that doesn't mean every bishop and priest under him is. Their sacraments are still valid
^
@Daniil to be honest I view it more as an American revolution/War of 1812 situation, Ukraine ethnogenesized
Similar anyways
Nowhere near the same
Second Ecumenical Council Canon 2; Council of Trullo Canon 20; Council of Antioch Canon 13; and Council of Sardica Canons 3, 11 and 12
```The bishops are not to go beyond their dioceses to churches lying outside of their bounds, nor bring confusion on the churches; but let the Bishop of Alexandria, according to the canons, alone administer the affairs of Egypt; and let the bishops of the East manage the East alone, the privileges of the Church in Antioch, which are mentioned in the canons of Nice, being preserved; and let the bishops of the Asian Diocese administer the Asian affairs only; and the Pontic bishops only Pontic matters; and the Thracian bishops only Thracian affairs.```
```It shall not be lawful for a bishop to teach publicly in any city which does not belong to him. If any shall have been observed doing this, let him cease from his episcopate, but let him discharge the office of a presbyter.```
```No bishop shall presume to pass from one province to another, and ordain persons to the dignity of the ministry in the Church, not even should he have others with him, unless he should go at the written invitation of the metropolitan and bishops into whose country he goes. ```
Sardica:
```Canon 3. And it is necessary to add this too, that no Bishop may cross from his own diocese or province into another province in which there happen to be Bishops, unless he be called or invited by some of the brethren therein, lest we seem to be shutting the gates of love.```
```Canon 11. Whenever a Bishop goes from one city to another city, or from one province to another province, for the sake of vaunt with a view to having eulogies bestowed upon him, or to appearing to be devoted to the religion, and desires to stay there too long a time, and the Bishop of that city is not an experienced teacher, we decree that he shall not treat the latter scornfully, and deliver sermons too continuously, and thereby endeavor to bring disgrace and ignominy upon the Bishop of that place. ```