You're right mate. We gotta make it happen.

Ha

Governments and nations can persist a long time on momentum alone

the existing infrastucture and power of the state may be crumbling

but such massive structures take a long time to crumble to dust

or at least crumble to the point where they collapse

we're in for a long slow decline

We exist in a world where weapons that can blow up cities exist, though.

i'm of the view that nuclear weapons will never be launched between states

rogue terrorist act? possible, but highly unlikely

but nukes will never fly, i'm certain of it

Nuclear weapons are Jewish lies

the whole value of a nuclear weapon comes down to one thing

Just like round earth

deterrence

No, I'm not saying they'd actually be launched. All a radical, revolutionary party needs to do is seize a couple of them, and 'the people' won't have a choice in listening to them.

That's never been a factor before.

rogue terrorist acts are a possibility

but nuclear war between nation states isn't happening

islamic nuclear terror

Hell, the caliphate of ISIS could instate himself as the dictator of the US tomorrow if hecould seize a couple nuclear silos. No one would be stupid enough to rebel against someone willing to nuke a city.

Unless they were really fanatical in their beliefs, which the average person is not.

Look at North Korea, everybody hates them, but no one will do jack shit about it because of their nukes.

exactly

deterrence

Yeah, that's what I'm saying though. You don't need to collapse infrastructure if you seize a couple nukes. That's never been a factor in war before.

Usually rebellions have always been long and bloody affairs, because there were no weapons of mass destruction that either side could seize, and, after they did, just have everyone shut up and do as they said.

Hell, some Nazi could literally seize power in the UK, and start sending Jews to death camps, and no one would do anything about it if they just built a couple nukes before they started doing so.

assuming he could retain control over those nukes

there are probably all sorts of fail-safes and defense mechanisms against such an event

well

there are also all the nukes leftover fromt he fall of the USSR

You can use your guns to defend your guns.

You can use your nukes to defend your nukes

Ha

the greatest guarantee of peace between two powers is parity of strength

without a clear advantage war is pointless

Honestly though, do you think any modern person would be willing to rebel against a dictator who seized power in the United States if he, said, launched a nuke at San Fran or something to prove his point?

Before nukes, even the worst weapons weren't essentially garenteed wins. Then the nukes came.

Is there actually a reason why we shouldn't literally support more refugees coming in to speed up the collapse?

collapse = mass casualty event