Message from @de ton

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2018-11-07 09:21:03 UTC  

In the paschal liturgy, there's a mention of the Theotokos saying something along the lines of "Where is my Son? Is he off turning water into wine somewhere?" while he's crucified on the cross

2018-11-07 09:21:08 UTC  

and the thing is, he actually *is* in a symbolic sense

2018-11-07 09:21:51 UTC  

Since the waters are a symbol of the circumstances you find yourself in, the passions, all the troubles the world throws at you

2018-11-07 09:22:32 UTC  

And the miracle of turning the waters into wine is a prefiguration of the crucifixion and resurrection - since Christ willingly accepted his Crucifixion and rose from the dead accordingly

2018-11-07 09:22:48 UTC  

The waters turning into wine is a symbol of amor fati

2018-11-07 09:22:52 UTC  

Okay, I understand none of that.

2018-11-07 09:22:59 UTC  

But I need to go anyway.

2018-11-07 09:23:06 UTC  

Sorry, but bye.

2018-11-07 09:23:11 UTC  

Ok, byebye

2018-11-07 09:24:21 UTC  

"In the paschal liturgy, there's a mention of the Theotokos saying something along the lines of "Where is my Son? Is he off turning water into wine somewhere?" while he's crucified on the cross"

Nigga, what?

2018-11-07 09:24:49 UTC  

I don't remember the line from memory since I heard it for the first time earlier this year

2018-11-07 09:25:04 UTC  

also this is dog liturgy

2018-11-07 09:25:08 UTC  

Cat liturgy may be different

2018-11-07 09:26:01 UTC  

but I distinctly remember it, since my reaction to that line being read was a feeling of sadness at the Theotokos wondering if her son was off performing a repetition of first miracle she intercessed him to perform

2018-11-07 09:26:10 UTC  

It was very tragic

2018-11-07 09:26:24 UTC  

But then it later hit me that it was a subtle hint in the liturgy towards what the symbolism is

2018-11-07 09:26:44 UTC  

The liturgy is so fucking good

2018-11-07 09:26:46 UTC  

I can't wait for next pascha

2018-11-07 11:16:53 UTC  

@󠀂 󠀂 I hate artists too. A bunch of pretentious degenerate propaganda machines. And the escapism that fills anime, too

2018-11-07 12:48:23 UTC  

If you guys are always mad when your side is not in power, why would you support democracy.

2018-11-07 13:00:49 UTC  

I don't think anybody here supports the republic (which js not a democracy)

2018-11-07 13:52:26 UTC  

Democracy is gay

2018-11-07 13:52:33 UTC  

It is democracy

2018-11-07 13:52:44 UTC  

Everyone understands for democracy people voting to decide what is done

2018-11-07 13:53:00 UTC  

It doesn't matter that in some votes states are not weighted by population

2018-11-07 13:53:12 UTC  

In the end the mob decides

2018-11-07 13:53:53 UTC  

Precisely, I don't support democracy because I know that virtue will never, EVER be in power, and that it only leads to a degeneracy spiral

2018-11-07 15:13:30 UTC  

It's not democracy. We have electoral college and government decides on issues and warfare, we only influence who can enter office

2018-11-07 15:21:28 UTC  

Which are all in the end elected through votes

2018-11-07 15:21:37 UTC  

And those who go against the majority go out

2018-11-07 15:21:59 UTC  

So stop pretending you are a special snowflake with your yet another way to implement democracy

2018-11-07 15:22:21 UTC  

Since your government is in the end the perfect reflection of the mob, chosen by the mob for the mob

2018-11-07 15:31:54 UTC  

I'm ok with republics tbh but not dumbocracy

2018-11-07 15:32:49 UTC  

They are the same

2018-11-07 15:32:56 UTC  

Which is why they share the same degeneracy and consequences

2018-11-07 15:33:01 UTC  

And the same principles

2018-11-07 15:34:42 UTC  

Well if it's a republic where partaking in the political process is reserved only to a specified ruling class, like the nobility, I'm fine with it. Poland-Lithuania is often classified as a republic.

2018-11-07 15:35:00 UTC  

I've always found the Venetian swamp Jews' government quite interesting

2018-11-07 15:35:35 UTC  

But I should say elective monarchy rather than republic

2018-11-07 15:35:49 UTC  

Nothing matters as long as people vote for any relevant position