Message from @ChuuniMage

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2018-11-07 09:09:42 UTC  

It's a very cool category of knowledge that's underappreciated but nontheless fraught with spiritual danger

2018-11-07 09:09:58 UTC  

Doesn't it come from Judaism though?

2018-11-07 09:10:04 UTC  

Nah

2018-11-07 09:10:55 UTC  

Esotericism is just "inner knowledge", compared to exotericism which is "outer knowledge"

2018-11-07 09:11:12 UTC  

You could draw a classification between "Esoteric" and "Exoteric" Christianity but I wouldn't trust anyone who actively makes that distinction

2018-11-07 09:12:29 UTC  

Anyway, what I got from it is basically an end-all term to describe a degenerate and evil lifestyle, vs a good, orderly one: The Right Hand Path Vs. The Left Hand Path.

2018-11-07 09:12:38 UTC  

So simple, even "le skeptics" can get it.

2018-11-07 09:13:38 UTC  

In so far as everything that isn't Orthodoxy is evil and degenerate, yes.

2018-11-07 09:13:47 UTC  

I haven't actually studied much in-depth about it, except for the Sephiroth because I thought it sounded cool.

2018-11-07 09:13:58 UTC  

TBH

2018-11-07 09:14:23 UTC  

Effectively it's attempts to identify *really* abstract patterns

2018-11-07 09:15:18 UTC  

and comprehend metaphysical realities, aided by symbols and practise

2018-11-07 09:16:30 UTC  

You can do the same *type* of thing in an Orthodox context, like contemplating and meditating on the symbolism of Christ's life, Genesis, etc and drawing symbolic analogies between other things in life and seeing the patterns necessarily fold out

2018-11-07 09:17:19 UTC  

In so far as a purely contemplative pattern recognition and appreciation goes

2018-11-07 09:17:34 UTC  

But esotericism outside of that type of context is tied to some really bad juju, mostly accidentally I think

2018-11-07 09:17:56 UTC  

like Hinduism is a heterodox tradition filled with demon-possessed and wizards

2018-11-07 09:18:05 UTC  

and they'll do esoterics around the symbolism of their idols

2018-11-07 09:18:26 UTC  

I doubt it's accidental. Abstracts and other, possibly, wishy-washy crap like that is popular with occultists, hippies, Wiccans, the like.

2018-11-07 09:19:10 UTC  

If you remove God from it, you can basically use it to justify all sorts of things.

2018-11-07 09:20:24 UTC  

There's no shortage of esoteric-like symbolic exegesis in the biblical traditions, which is why I think it's accidental

2018-11-07 09:20:32 UTC  

ie the symbol of turning the waters into wine

2018-11-07 09:20:35 UTC  

or of walking on waters

2018-11-07 09:21:03 UTC  

In the paschal liturgy, there's a mention of the Theotokos saying something along the lines of "Where is my Son? Is he off turning water into wine somewhere?" while he's crucified on the cross

2018-11-07 09:21:08 UTC  

and the thing is, he actually *is* in a symbolic sense

2018-11-07 09:21:51 UTC  

Since the waters are a symbol of the circumstances you find yourself in, the passions, all the troubles the world throws at you

2018-11-07 09:22:32 UTC  

And the miracle of turning the waters into wine is a prefiguration of the crucifixion and resurrection - since Christ willingly accepted his Crucifixion and rose from the dead accordingly

2018-11-07 09:22:48 UTC  

The waters turning into wine is a symbol of amor fati

2018-11-07 09:22:52 UTC  

Okay, I understand none of that.

2018-11-07 09:22:59 UTC  

But I need to go anyway.

2018-11-07 09:23:06 UTC  

Sorry, but bye.

2018-11-07 09:23:11 UTC  

Ok, byebye

2018-11-07 09:24:21 UTC  

"In the paschal liturgy, there's a mention of the Theotokos saying something along the lines of "Where is my Son? Is he off turning water into wine somewhere?" while he's crucified on the cross"

Nigga, what?

2018-11-07 09:24:49 UTC  

I don't remember the line from memory since I heard it for the first time earlier this year

2018-11-07 09:25:04 UTC  

also this is dog liturgy

2018-11-07 09:25:08 UTC  

Cat liturgy may be different

2018-11-07 09:26:01 UTC  

but I distinctly remember it, since my reaction to that line being read was a feeling of sadness at the Theotokos wondering if her son was off performing a repetition of first miracle she intercessed him to perform

2018-11-07 09:26:10 UTC  

It was very tragic

2018-11-07 09:26:24 UTC  

But then it later hit me that it was a subtle hint in the liturgy towards what the symbolism is

2018-11-07 09:26:44 UTC  

The liturgy is so fucking good

2018-11-07 09:26:46 UTC  

I can't wait for next pascha