I forget the difference b/w Old and New Wesleyans though. I think Methodists tend to lean toward Old Wesleyan and Nazarenes and Wesleyans lean toward New Wesleyan.

@Quarantine_Zone I thought Baptists followed Calvinist soteriology?

Penties follow Arminianism

@Quarantine_Zone I wouldn’t let conciliatory anathemas get you down too much. Early Christendom tended to talk overly tough with their anathemas. Before Nicaea I, Alexander of Alexandria started to take issue with Arius. Arius caught wind that he was prolly gonna get condemned so he fled to Constantinople and got Eusebius of Nicomedia to team up with him. Alexander got Arius condemned at a local council, but Arius and Eusebius got Alexander anathematized. Does Eusebius’ anathema stand just because he was part of the one true church?

@󠀂 󠀂 Baptists are split on Calvinism vs Arminianism, but the Arminian Baptists are Reformed/Classical Arminians

@ανονυμους βοττομτεξτ Ecumenical council anathemae are at a whole different level though. I see no way around being anathematized by the seventh council

I hold to the first 6 and much of the 7th, which is more than 90% of Prots, but I can't hold to all of 7

Think of it this way

In an individual setting, the office of the keys=contingent upon repentance

Even a super ex opere operato Catjolic would agree that unrepentance=no absolution

When it comes to larger, broader excommunications, I tend to look at it as the anathema being contingent upon whether or not it’s biblically faithful

And good luck finding a mandate to venerate icons as prescribed in Nicaea II in the New Testament

The anathemae at councils aren't the same type of anathemae as the Bible ofc

But I'm still anathematized nonetheless

Well sure

And your point?

It makes it hard for me to call myself truly "orthodox"

Which is unsettling. I don't like it

I like being in line with the historical church

So why does Nicaea II bother you but Trent not?

Trent isn't ecumenical

I got a very easy solution for that: whatever is good, keep. Whatever is bad, reject.

I care about pre-1054

@Mozalbete ⳩ that's what I attempt to do

Like I said, I accept the first 6 entirely and then much of the 7th

The majority of the 7th actually

Keep in mind that I do not talk about the councils

It's like less than 10% of it that I have issue with

Yeah

We have different standards ofc...

@Mozalbete ⳩ dang it

How is your acceptance of the Council of Trullo?

I just realized the trap I fell into

I feel like I'm in Yu-Gi-Oh

And I just activated your trap cadd

What I mean is that in those cases, you need an inner introspection of, regarding what you follow right now, what you like and what you know you don't have to follow

I love that Trullo affrms multiple mutually exclusive and contradictory Bible canons with anathemas to boot

I actually almost went Anglo-Catholic over this

Trullo isn't ecumenical

It does have a tone of weight though

I have too many issues with both RCC and EO