Message from @Quarantine_Zone

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2019-02-20 17:14:19 UTC  

Which ended in 37 BC

2019-02-20 17:15:19 UTC  

The Jews changed a ton of stuff and even messed with the Hebrew manuscripts at times to make them anti-Christian

2019-02-20 17:15:36 UTC  

But there aren't references to Jesus Christ in the Talmud

2019-02-20 17:22:48 UTC  

Ah, yes, this Yeshu that was executed ("hanged"), along with his disciples in the eve of Passover is not Jesus at all

2019-02-20 17:24:18 UTC  

But Jesus Christ's disciples weren't hung with him on the eve of Passover...

2019-02-20 17:24:35 UTC  

You're aware that Jesus was a common name right?

2019-02-20 17:25:36 UTC  

I don't think you understand the Talmud doesn't try to describe historical events

2019-02-20 17:26:09 UTC  

Even if there was this reference to the events happening at most at 37BC, which I do not see anywhere, it would still be a clear reference towards Jesus

2019-02-20 17:26:13 UTC  

Because they hate Jesus

2019-02-20 17:27:12 UTC  

There is a "Yeshu", with disciples, who is accused of sorcery and executed with some kind of hanging in the Eve of Passover

2019-02-20 17:27:43 UTC  

And his **5** disciples

2019-02-20 17:28:10 UTC  

What I'm saying is that the only thing they share is the name Jesus and supposed sorcery

2019-02-20 17:28:11 UTC  

That is not a relevant deatail, because as I have said, it doesn't intend to be historical, nor say the truth, nor is it an important detail

2019-02-20 17:28:15 UTC  

the name

2019-02-20 17:28:17 UTC  

The sorcery

2019-02-20 17:28:25 UTC  

The execution during the Eve of Passover

2019-02-20 17:28:32 UTC  

The disciples

2019-02-20 17:28:54 UTC  

Accusation of leading Israel to apostasy

2019-02-20 17:29:01 UTC  

It is mentioned in other parts as one of the great enemies of Israel who is boiling in exccrement

2019-02-20 17:29:37 UTC  

That is in Sanhedrin 107

2019-02-20 17:29:47 UTC  

It was the general punishment for sorcery

2019-02-20 17:30:04 UTC  

According to their eschatology

2019-02-20 17:30:06 UTC  

What is in Sanhedrin 107?

2019-02-20 17:31:03 UTC  

Wait, no the excrement part is in Gittin

2019-02-20 17:35:52 UTC  

I find the reference very clear. It is no surprise, then, that in some manuscripts, the jews added "the Nasarene" to clear all doubts

2019-02-20 17:36:37 UTC  

FYI they stoned him

2019-02-20 17:36:42 UTC  

Then hanged his corpse

2019-02-20 17:37:11 UTC  

It is mentioned how some said "He is going forth to be stoned"

2019-02-20 17:37:37 UTC  

But the actual execution is always mentioned as "he was ahnged"

2019-02-20 17:39:20 UTC  

וכרוז יוצא לפניו לפניו אין מעיקרא לא והתניא בערב הפסח תלאוהו לישו והכרוז יוצא לפניו מ' יום ישו יוצא ליסקל על שכישף והסית והדיח את ישראל כל מי שיודע לו זכות יבא וילמד עליו ולא מצאו לו זכות ותלאוהו בערב הפסח
The mishna teaches that a crier goes out before the condemned man. This indicates that it is only before him, i.e., while he is being led to his execution, that yes, the crier goes out, but from the outset, before the accused is convicted, he does not go out. The Gemara raises a difficulty: But isn’t it taught in a baraita: On Passover Eve they hung the corpse of Jesus the Nazarene after they killed him by way of stoning. And a crier went out before him for forty days, publicly proclaiming: Jesus the Nazarene is going out to be stoned because he practiced sorcery, incited people to idol worship, and led the Jewish people astray. Anyone who knows of a reason to acquit him should come forward and teach it on his behalf. And the court did not find a reason to acquit him, and so they stoned him and hung his corpse on Passover eve.

2019-02-20 17:39:57 UTC  

Also important:

2019-02-20 17:40:09 UTC  

אמר עולא ותסברא בר הפוכי זכות הוא מסית הוא ורחמנא אמר (דברים יג, ט) לא תחמול ולא תכסה עליו אלא שאני ישו דקרוב למלכות הוה
Ulla said: And how can you understand this proof? Was Jesus the Nazarene worthy of conducting a search for a reason to acquit him? He was an inciter to idol worship, and the Merciful One states with regard to an inciter to idol worship: “Neither shall you spare, neither shall you conceal him” (Deuteronomy 13:9). Rather, Jesus was different, as he had close ties with the government, and the gentile authorities were interested in his acquittal. Consequently, the court gave him every opportunity to clear himself, so that it could not be claimed that he was falsely convicted.

2019-02-20 17:40:09 UTC  

**Deuteronomy 13:9 - New King James Version (NKJV)**

```Dust


<9> but you shall surely kill him; your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. ```

2019-02-20 17:40:46 UTC  

Close ties with the government? Something Jesus Christ didn't have.

2019-02-20 17:41:26 UTC  

Gentile authorities interested in his acquittal?

2019-02-20 17:41:27 UTC  

Jesus refused to conflic with the authorities, taught giving the Caesar what is his, and refused to be an instigator of war against the romans

2019-02-20 17:42:06 UTC  

That's far from close ties with the government

2019-02-20 17:42:29 UTC  

And we don't see them interested in his acquittal from the government

2019-02-20 17:42:56 UTC  

Is taht really your argument?

2019-02-20 17:43:28 UTC  

You are 1) foolish enough to think the jews wouldn't mention Jesus in their book, 2) foolish enough to think they would tell the truth about him

2019-02-20 17:43:41 UTC  

They keep what clearly identifies him