I think it's fair to say that being hit by an iron is child abuse.

I thought it was normal at the time

But anyways I wouldn't personally do any type of corporal punishment, I just can't bring myself to do it to a child.

Well, okay, the thing I have a problem with though, is that most people who also "can't bring themselves to do it to a child" also want to have CPS take the children away from parents who do.

Not to mention that's actually the least horrible thing I've seen. A good number of them literally want them charged with child abuse and put in prison.

I wonder how they will enforce that

I mean, CPS is already powerful enough to enforce such a thing if the a Law were passed that allowed them to do so.

They can, and often do, take children away from their parents, based on completely arbritrary, personal, standards, that don't conform to any formalized law code.

Exactly

It wouldn't pass

Now they don't do that permanently, but the fact that they can do it for months at a time, is already a precendent.

@vhozonian Why? Such things have already passed, and been enforced, in other countries. Why should we expect it would be any different if the culture shift, shifts even further?

In Europe?

Norway, specifically.

The UK, did it recently, for different reasons, but the fact remains that they 'can' do it.

I mean, it's ok if it's in the UK with all the Muslims now

But it seems weird that Norway would pass that law, they don't seem to have child abuse problems

I'm talking about Alfie Evans, but yeah.

Like I said, they did it for different reasons, but they still have the power to do it for the reasons I mentioned.

The amount of child abuse I see in the UK on a weekly basis is enough to convince me we need our protective services to pull their metaphorical finger out

I bet most of the abuse cases come from Pakistanis and Indians

@vhozonian They consider "Christian indoctrination" to be child abuse in Norway.

That's how they justify it.

Any sort of corporal punishment, no matter how benign, is also considered an offense that can get your kids taken away in Norway.

The fact that the two usually go hand in hand doesn't help things.

Depressingly, its not gandi.
Its mostly atheistic yobs, the kind youd see at a footie game making England an embarrassmeny and collectively dropping IQ points per pint of cheap lager.
Chavs too

Its not quite that strict here but its close with regards to punishing your child

And that's not to mention that an increasing amount of people are advocating for this kind of stuff. If the next generation holds these views, then it doesn't matter what wouldn't pass right now.

Just look at the massive shift from the 50's to the 70's

The generation coming after me is right wing and traditionalist as they come, almost making up for the ridiculous lefty nonesense my generation has become known for.

Where do you live?

South of England

In a fairly rural city

Population is split between students, middled aged middle class and elderly upper class

The new wave of super young that I'm meeting in the area make me look like a centrist

Although like every bundle of sticks theres the odd ones out

I saw the article about Norway's Christian indoctrination thing and I'm certain that it's evangelical propaganda. If you look at the case, the children called CPS. Spanking was the least of physical abuses they endured. And their uncle also said that [their parents] shook the youngest sibling "like a ragdoll".

Heck, the main problem wasn't even Christian teaching. One of the teachers said that they had an extreme fear of hell

Which case are you talking about?

The only one that seems to pick on Google

The Bordnarui's?