Common problems include anger issues

I mean, most of the people we're dealing with now, that 'really' have problems, don't come from that type of environment. Hell, most serial killers throughout time were raised by single mothers..

@vhozonian And as I've said, I've never seen a case where those problems manifest 'before' they're heavily influenced by people that are, at least tacitly, opposed to the practices of their parents.

Some serial killers went through abuse (often physical) and others came from negligence

It's just like Christian kids who go to a liberal arts college and then 'discover' how much they actually secretly hated their parents all their lives.

@vhozonian Some, like Dahmer, went through heavy sexual abuse. Most, like Bundy, were raised by single mothers that raised them according to 'sensitive' feminine standards, IE extremely lax with almost no discipline involved.

And because of that he resented all women because of his mother and started killing them.

I thought dahmer was neglected

Dahmer was raped, and raised by an incestous family.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with corporal punishment. A child who is misbehaving won't be mentally scarred by a minor slap behind the head.

I don't think I get what definition of corporal punishment is according to you guys.

Beat that ass.

That's more or less the definition.

My parents often slapped me in the face or in extreme cases mom would threaten us with iron burning

Eh, mine was a bit of everything

Well, that depends, did they do it for no reason? The slapping I mean, burning your kids with a hot iron isn't good either way.

The slapping was either misbehaviour or if I failed at a question when we were studying

Most of the time, the latter. I wasn't a kid prone to trouble

Obviously there's a difference between corporal punishment and child abuse.

I think it's fair to say that being hit by an iron is child abuse.

I thought it was normal at the time

But anyways I wouldn't personally do any type of corporal punishment, I just can't bring myself to do it to a child.

Well, okay, the thing I have a problem with though, is that most people who also "can't bring themselves to do it to a child" also want to have CPS take the children away from parents who do.

Not to mention that's actually the least horrible thing I've seen. A good number of them literally want them charged with child abuse and put in prison.

I wonder how they will enforce that

I mean, CPS is already powerful enough to enforce such a thing if the a Law were passed that allowed them to do so.

They can, and often do, take children away from their parents, based on completely arbritrary, personal, standards, that don't conform to any formalized law code.

Exactly

It wouldn't pass

Now they don't do that permanently, but the fact that they can do it for months at a time, is already a precendent.

@vhozonian Why? Such things have already passed, and been enforced, in other countries. Why should we expect it would be any different if the culture shift, shifts even further?

In Europe?

Norway, specifically.

The UK, did it recently, for different reasons, but the fact remains that they 'can' do it.

I mean, it's ok if it's in the UK with all the Muslims now

But it seems weird that Norway would pass that law, they don't seem to have child abuse problems

I'm talking about Alfie Evans, but yeah.

Like I said, they did it for different reasons, but they still have the power to do it for the reasons I mentioned.

The amount of child abuse I see in the UK on a weekly basis is enough to convince me we need our protective services to pull their metaphorical finger out

I bet most of the abuse cases come from Pakistanis and Indians

@vhozonian They consider "Christian indoctrination" to be child abuse in Norway.