Message from @Quarantine_Zone

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2019-04-05 06:29:58 UTC  

you can call it however you want

2019-04-05 06:30:05 UTC  

?

2019-04-05 06:30:09 UTC  

I can call it what it is

2019-04-05 06:30:15 UTC  

And nothing else

2019-04-05 06:30:29 UTC  

I will only call it the energy-essence distinction because that is what it is

2019-04-05 06:30:32 UTC  

No more, no less.

2019-04-05 06:30:33 UTC  

It says that Christ does things according to divine nature, and according to huan nature

2019-04-05 06:30:53 UTC  

Did you not read the parts about energy and activities and their distinction?

2019-04-05 06:31:34 UTC  

That is the context, that all activities, no matter form what nature, come form Christ

2019-04-05 06:32:25 UTC  

It's an opposition to nestorians

2019-04-05 06:32:41 UTC  

Nestorians?

2019-04-05 06:32:49 UTC  

Do you know anything about the sixth council?

2019-04-05 06:33:04 UTC  

he even cites "the foul effluence of Nestorius" right in the text you gave me

2019-04-05 06:33:20 UTC  

Because itis a christological profession

2019-04-05 06:33:51 UTC  

Yeah, but he overall section is against Monothelitists. That's the point of the chapter

2019-04-05 06:34:17 UTC  

Sure, it's against Nestorians too, but generally speaking against Monothelitists

2019-04-05 06:34:54 UTC  

Give 11 a thorough read. He's so clear about the energy-essence distinction

2019-04-05 06:35:25 UTC  

I don't really see anything special in that text, and truly nothing that goes against anything in catholicism. God has two natures , and even though Christ's activities may belong to one or other nature, they are both of Christ

2019-04-05 06:35:39 UTC  

"The difference of the essence is always understood from the difference of the activities."

2019-04-05 06:36:05 UTC  

That is what I already have summarised

2019-04-05 06:36:16 UTC  

That's literally the energy-essence distinction

2019-04-05 06:36:24 UTC  

Which you so firmly argue against

2019-04-05 06:36:43 UTC  

Oh yes, is it some dogma of cahtolicism, for example, that Christ has no activities?

2019-04-05 06:37:46 UTC  

Because that is what would go against that

2019-04-05 06:40:08 UTC  

More properly, I mean that when you read the whole letter, it is clear that he is basing his entire argument against the Monothelitists on the grounds of the energy-essence distinction

2019-04-05 06:40:31 UTC  

And the fact that it is affirmed at Constantinople III means it is dogmatic

2019-04-05 06:41:05 UTC  

I have a question for everyone

2019-04-05 06:41:17 UTC  

What do you think of Theozoology?

2019-04-05 06:41:27 UTC  

I think you are trying too hard to see what isn't there

2019-04-05 06:42:07 UTC  

The text just mentions how even though Christ has two natures, with activities that are characteristic of both, it can't be said that there are two Christs, or that some activities don't belong to Christ

2019-04-05 06:42:24 UTC  

That is why, aftter the very sentence you quoted, it says

2019-04-05 06:43:02 UTC  

etc etc

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/563614557914791938/unknown.png

2019-04-05 06:44:19 UTC  

I'm not attempting to say there are two christs

2019-04-05 06:44:35 UTC  

I'm trying to show you that the energy-essence distinction is all throughout the letter

2019-04-05 06:44:38 UTC  

That is what the letter is refering to, in that chapter

2019-04-05 06:44:59 UTC  

Yes, but he goes on and on about energy essence throughout the whole thing

2019-04-05 06:45:25 UTC  

Which is why I said, "the whole letter pretty much."

2019-04-05 06:45:29 UTC  

In other words: tehre is nothing in that letter that is rejected by Catholicism, unless you think that Catholicism says that Christ has no activities, or doesn't have two natures, etc

2019-04-05 06:45:47 UTC  

But he clearly makes a distinction between energy and essence

2019-04-05 06:46:17 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/563615375762391060/Screenshot_20190405-024556_Chrome.jpg

2019-04-05 06:46:19 UTC  

As I said, you can call is whatever you like, but that doesn't change the fact that theere is nothing in that text against Catholicism