Message from @Orrbit

Discord ID: 570373290972020738


2019-04-23 22:04:41 UTC  

Ever restarted something?

2019-04-23 22:04:55 UTC  

brb i must drive

2019-04-23 22:05:27 UTC  

More like I must drivel. LOL OWNE

2019-04-23 22:05:55 UTC  

whether the flood literally happened or not it doesn't say much for the existence of God either way

2019-04-23 22:06:57 UTC  

Again, the exegesis of some parts or how one or other things happened is irrelevent, since we base our belief in Christ and his ressurrection. And people who try to disprove that by studying them end up becoming christians, like David Wood

2019-04-23 22:07:01 UTC  

I'd say it's important to believe for the sake of believing God is truthful. Maybe it doesn't define the existence of God, but it's a statement on his nature.

2019-04-23 22:07:43 UTC  

Regarding those other things, of all the things that people say there is no evidence today, there is evidence tomorrow, and of some there is, but people ignore it

2019-04-23 22:07:50 UTC  

Start picking and choosing what to believe, you're left with a liar of a God

2019-04-23 22:08:24 UTC  

well belief in God can be conclusively reached through reason regardless of whether you've even heard of Christ or not

2019-04-23 22:08:37 UTC  

this idea that there is no proof is silly, there clearly is

2019-04-23 22:08:49 UTC  

perhaps not any physical or material evidence

2019-04-23 22:08:57 UTC  

And from there Christianity follows naturally

2019-04-23 22:09:13 UTC  

So long as you don't outright dismiss metaphysics <:bruh:569616839340982272>

2019-04-23 22:09:16 UTC  

but it's completely philosophically logical

2019-04-23 22:09:43 UTC  

Yes, once you acknowledge God, Christianity stands as the most rational

2019-04-23 22:16:24 UTC  

@Orrbit let me hear your reasoning

2019-04-23 22:18:10 UTC  

We wave you as example Aquinas' arguments, bruh, but you said that "why isn't da universe the uncaused cause",to which we pointed out that "da universe" is just a collection of things

2019-04-23 22:18:29 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/570372953045205013/1471251360958.jpg

2019-04-23 22:18:44 UTC  

this ^

2019-04-23 22:19:41 UTC  

what is this? An Image for ants?

2019-04-23 22:19:49 UTC  

as for the flood situation, whatever happened has no weight on the existence of God

2019-04-23 22:20:14 UTC  

if you click it and then click open original you can zoom in

2019-04-23 22:20:32 UTC  

I can still hardly read it

2019-04-23 22:20:47 UTC  

Yeah sure

2019-04-23 22:20:47 UTC  

are you on mobile or pc?

2019-04-23 22:20:52 UTC  

The zoom in double nigerio

2019-04-23 22:21:14 UTC  

im on muh laptop

2019-04-23 22:21:27 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/570373699719397422/Screenshot_2019-04-23_at_5.21.16_PM.png

2019-04-23 22:21:29 UTC  

I am zoomed in all the wy

2019-04-23 22:21:40 UTC  

The image is bigger

2019-04-23 22:23:04 UTC  

at any rate, the existence of God is philosophically demonstrable

2019-04-23 22:24:02 UTC  

if the flood did happen, it's perfectly logical for God to have been able to do it, and if it didn't happen exactly literally as scripture recounts, that's also consistent with God

2019-04-23 22:24:55 UTC  

And those things are not that important, because the centerpiece of Christianity is the resurrection of Christ

2019-04-23 22:25:55 UTC  

Can you tell me what the philosophical argument is

2019-04-23 22:27:20 UTC  

well, the unmoved mover

2019-04-23 22:28:13 UTC  

so, the mere fact that there is something, as supposed to nothing needs an explanation

2019-04-23 22:28:54 UTC  

something either actually is, or potentially is

2019-04-23 22:29:57 UTC  

potential cannot make itself actual, i.e, things need causes

2019-04-23 22:30:47 UTC  

so if everything needs a cause, then somewhere along the line there needs to be a reality which can cause yet is uncaused, or else you end up with an infinite regress

2019-04-23 22:31:03 UTC  

Now from our experiences on Earth, the unmoved mover's premises and even its conclusion, seem to be true
P1) Everything that happens or exists must have a cause
P2) The universe began to exist
C) Therefore, the universe had a cause

In order to prevent infinite recession, one must assume there is a first cause, an unmoved mover. Now this argument alone can be used to justify the belief in an unmoved mover, HOWEVER it does not justify the believe that the unmoved mover is
1) sentient and omnipotent
2) Still in existence
3) Infallible

2019-04-23 22:31:43 UTC  

Those are infered, along things like univity and perfection