That doesn't mean there is an ontological difference that you make up though!

But how do you account for Priests having that ability when lay people don't

I stick to the fathers and scriptures. If it isn't there, I don't believe it!

The ability?

Nobody has the ability

Wen did I say anything about ability?

I didn't say *can't* I said *shouldn't*

The ability is not in people

perhaps I should be more specific about the word ability - what I mean is, the priest is participating in Christ's ability so really it is God who is consecrating

The ability is in the Word and that alone. God performs the miracle, not man

yeah I agree

but, if I say those same words at the altar nothing will happen

Yes, and who speaks the Word is irrelevant to efficiency

No

God consecrates, it's not a magic spell you can summon with the right words

The person is irrelevant for efficiency

The Word is what matters.

So, I could consecrate the Eucharist in my bedroom right now if I wanted to?

Yes, but it would be a sin

Priests are not wizards, and consecration is not a magic spell

are you serious?

Yes

of course its not a magic spell

oi

are you niggers fighting

This is painstakingly ignorant.

You're the one who lacks early support from the fathers....

I've read them. I suppose you have too?

bruh the fathers were Bishopppssss

Indeed.

who were made bishops by the apostlesssss

I'm going to <#567704060015280138> to talk about the Benedictines, it's why I logged on this evening in the first place.

Yeah, I like bishops and apostles man

So we should trust them when they never mention once an ontological shift in ordination

I'm still yet to be provided a quote

Which is sad because you should be pulling out Ignatius to Ephesus

"They didn't say it, therefore it mustn't be true"

I gave you three

Hey do you chaps know any good Religious movies

You gave me one early father and he doesn't mention anything about ontology

Maximos is fine but not early