since its a collectoon showing that the saints and fathers were not unanimous

I gave you St Augustine, but I can also give you Jerome and John Chrysostom and more, but why arque all of this instead of just conceding that those divorced can't remarry?

Scripture acknowledges divorce as a secular thing, but it says that whoever marries again is committing adultery, and whoever marries someone that's divorced is committing adultery.

Marriage is the joining of two souls

Sounds kinda permanent

it is permanent

that's why Adultery exists

based on autistic reading of an autsitic translation

here, have fun

it doesn't matter the translation

(when it comes to this)

Sounds pretty ableist :^)

I'm referring to Luke 16:18 for reference

**Luke 16:18 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

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<18> Every one that putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and he that marrieth her that is put away from her husband, committeth adultery. ```

But anyways, I think we all agree that nobody is really in favor of divorce. We just a have a difference in the legitimacy of it.

I disagree with annulment too tbh

Unless the circumstances are dire, like forced marriage and such

I'm not familiar with it, but my Uncle (Catholic) married an Orthodox woman. Their divorce was and still is a shit show

Annulments are usually rarely given for a reason.

I mean, think about it.

The Vatican would rather Henry VIII schism'd from The Church than grant him an annulment.

That was political though

Because the conditions of his marriage didn't meet requirement for an annulment

It's that important.

Bullshit it was politicl

Yoou can argue the HRE as much as you want, the simple fact of the matter was, politics or not:

Henry and Catherine's marriage was valid and there was no case for an annulment.

They gave him how many annulments?

it was also not long after the council in florence which outlawed divorce and remarriage.
which, while uncommon, happened in western europe

Just because a council clarifies and codifies something, doesn't mean it wasn't that before.

any historical source will tell you that it did happen and was allowed by the church, if rarely

ok, but why was it happening

Otherwise why did the councils have to speak out against heresy

Because it was needed at the time

divorce and remarriage?

It obviously needed to be clarified, because even though the bible is pretty clear on it, some people still don't get the message.

church fathers arent exactly unanimous on it either.

lmao the bible is prettt clear on it

which one, the douai rheymes?

or the eternal kjv

The Bible is very clear indeed:

1) Don't put away except for the cause of fornication
2) If you put away your husband/wife, don't remarry, because it is adultery