Message from @Mozalbete ⳩
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You could as well complain that the creed exists, saying "don't mess around with Scripture". The purpose of the Creed is to combat heresies, which is why some minor things are explicitely added to combat further heresies
Which is why the orthodox also use a version with additions
Literally had to agree with filioque to avoid further heresies
which were
Most threatening, Theodoret’s teachings
Which again, were condemned in Constantinople II
i meant the filioqie
what was it used to combat
The idea that the Holy Spirit does not come from the Son, so that the Spirit of Christ is a different one from the Spirit of the Father
Things like this:
_ Against IX. ... We shall confess that the Spirit of the Son was His own if he spoke of it as of the same nature and proceeding from the Father, and shall accept the expression as consistent with true piety. But if he speaks of the Spirit as being of the Son, or as having its origin through the Son we shall reject this statement as blasphemous and impious. For we believe the Lord when He says, "The spirit which proceedeth from the Father_
That in turn gave way to the 13th anathema
_ If anyone defends the heretical writings of Theodoret which were composed against the true faith, against the first holy synod of Ephesus and against holy Cyril and his Twelve Chapters, and also defends what Theodoret wrote to support the heretical Theodore and Nestorius and others who think in the same way as the aforesaid Theodore and Nestorius and accept them or their heresy and if anyone, because of them, shall accuse of being heretical the doctors of the church who have stated their belief in the union according to subsistence of God the Word; and if anyone does not anathematize these heretical books and those who have thought or now think in this way, and all those who have written against the true faith or against holy Cyril and his twelve chapters, and who persist in such heresy until they die: let him be anathema._
this is constantinople II?
Second thing he quoted is
right
so why wasnt filioque added then and there
For the same reason that the whole second part of the Creed wasn't added until the second council
Because those parts are explicitely added as needed
my question was about filioque and why it was needed
to combat heresies, such as arianism
Then for the same
which heresy
The heresy that the Holy Spirit does not proceed from the Son
The heresy that Theodore and Theodoret professed
lmao
In case you don't notice
The first quote is Theodoret against the 9th anathema
those were dealt with in con II
both theos
"Arianism" is just a fancy name for the heresy that the Son is not co-essential with the Father
Yeah, marking non Filioque as heresy
You agree with it even if you don’t add it to the creed
If you didn’t it’d be heresy
By all standards
Both orthodox and catholic
then why wasnt it added to the creed then and there
Because of that mistranslation of the word faith in greek
I swear, nigger, the petty excuses that you try to give to say something is not legitimate
Do you know why they didn't?