Message from @Mozalbete ⳩
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even though every step we take (or in this case, every actions, according to this metaphor) leads in a certain direction
only God can set you straight. you cant do it out of your own free will
Free will means to *choose* God's will over your own
What you're saying is "You don't have free will until you choose God"
that's an illogical statement
>you cant do it out of your own free will
Good way to pavlov yourself into inaction and sloth.
no, what in saying is "your will is bound to sin until God chooses YOU"
Aren't we all chosen to begin with?
And the matter is just recognizing you're chosen?
God has only chosen people once, and that was with the Jews. And even after being chosen, they rejected him
You have to choose it, but that choice is able thanks to God
there are choices, you can't deny that
But there is no personal merit when choosing good
The 3rd tenet of Calvinism
And, what calvinists will deny:
**Unconditional election: **This is the belief that God predestined individuals for salvation, and that individuals cannot choose God without God enabling them to do so.
Grace is not enough
In the sense
That it doesn't guarantee you will choose the right path
This is false because Jews were chosen by God and they rejected him. And therefore were denied salvation
@Mozalbete ⳩ no human on earth is walking a perfectly straight Godly path
I don't think that was the point.
thats the point isnt it?
That doesn't mean that people don't choose
Kek.
I know that, but even grace doesn't guarantee someone's salvation
@ninjacats did you see the video I linked
but thats what the New Testament says
It enables it
What version we talking about
But you can just as easily reject it and turn to evil
better be KJV
@Deleted User yes i did
The NT makes it very clear, doesn't say that those who receive grace already have a guaranteed salvatgion and those who don't a guaranteed doom. We are always told to be vigilant, to choose good and to be careful with temptations that can ruin our prospects of salvation
but if you die not rejecting Christ, that's all that matters. literally we are so unworthy nothing we can possibly do matters. the point is we are so fallen it doesnt matter, but those whom God has chosen will, through the Holy Spirit, be driven to do good acts as much as a human can do
By that logic, every protestant is secured a spot in heaven
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every christian engaging in carnal sin
Salvation by grace alone is a basic teaching shared by catholics, orthodox, and pretty much all
for example my father who still fornicates