Message from @ʀeaper
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Would explain the sudden upswing in an-caps over the last couple of decades
how so?
Bait
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Everything I don't like is evil
Big brain hours
Say the facist
@NO isn't that what you already believe though? Or are commies able to not be evil in your little world
GG @SHEPARD D☭G, you just advanced to level 9!
@SHEPARD D☭G
"I would like to work for for this guy for less then the total economic output of my labour "
Shepard: "ree that's not voluntarily I'm going to kill your boss because this is the only business in existence and having to meet your own biological needs is slavery "
If that's your version of doing the right thing then no get out
You blatantly put words into peoples mouths without regard for what they have to say on the matter
And somehow its not a straw man
Explain
When have I ever called for someone's death? @ʀeaper
Well why wouldn't people do that then
I call for the death of all beers, their bodily fluids to be consumed on a regular basis!
@Elmo this guys going places
@ʀeaper you haven't cited examples of me Calling for death or assault or anything
Yet maintain the straw man of me doing so
Why would people be discouraged from those types of business relationships otherwise
Every time someone explains to you how to nonviolently participate in better forms of operation
it seems to go over your head
Why can't you grasp the concept that people want to get better pay better benefits and an actual relevant say in their workplace?
There's this thing called your rational self-interest try looking into it
People would still take crappy deals when they are presented with better options?
If we assume that people are rational actors this makes no sense
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Making people take crappy deals when they have the ability to go after better deals requires Force the same Force currently used to protect capitalism and keep its life support online
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People could find themselves in positions where they need to accept crappy deals to support themselves
Which is why it's important to offer better deals so they can escape
But then you look at that and somehow interpret it as executing people for no apparent reason
Why do you think that process is automatic
Or that you have any control over the type of deals that are generated
@ʀeaper why do you think the process of people leaving crappy deals for better ones isn't automatic?
If we assume that people are rational actors and act in their self interest they would take the better deals when offered
It's not like the economy rewards company loyalty
I don't have to have any control over if he types of deals granted just look at the waiting lists to get into, where your standard business models have problems with being understaffed
The only force or control the economy would be offering more opportunities for people to escape
Via starting another Co-op or commune
This is of course assumes that local landlords and capitalists do not Call In state Force shut it down
It will eventually shift to a market similar to that but I don't have much confidence with desperate workers making calm rational decisions
Maybe in the past when the demand for unskilled labour was higher
So in conclusion the reason communism can't win is because people have been whipped and punished by the status quo (also known as capitalism) in order to keep them in a desperate scatterbrain state
Which prevents them from jumping ship to their local communes and coops
Apparently, neither pure Communism nor pure Capitalist democracies can win.
China is rising in prosperity. It is currently an authoritarian government.
The British empire rose in prosperity. It was an autocracy.
The Japanese empire rose in prosperity. It was an autocracy.
.... Russia also Rose in prosperity quite quickly and I can assume what your opinion on that is
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The seems to come to an uncomfortable logical conclusion
Yes. That uncomfortable logical conclusion is that one person's ideology, or even a community's ideology, has no correlation with success.
This can be unsettling, because it may imply that there is no free will.
Then again, I have once read a comic in which the guy is told to lift one leg, and he does, and he is told that "That is free will", and then he is told to lift up the other leg but he can't, so he is told "That is predestination."
The conclusion is that people believe that they have free will and believe they can choose to satisfy inner desires, but it is also possible that people really don't have any free will, and other forces are controlling the human (the molecules inside the body, nociceptors, emotions, etc.).