Message from @NO

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Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:00:17 UTC  

He muted me before I could respond over and over

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:00:28 UTC  

@Jonathan The Shaman teach me the ways to combat his beleifs

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:00:35 UTC  

I have my own server set up to format some shit

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:00:39 UTC  

But to respond to you

NO
2019-09-02 05:00:46 UTC  

Are you atheist or agnostic

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:01:10 UTC  

Atheist

NO
2019-09-02 05:02:08 UTC  

That's impossible to prove

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:02:15 UTC  

1. Why does this logic not apply to every deity, fairy’s, etc?
2. Why do you not believe in every other deity?
3. Why could god not have been behind evolution? ( for a wrench in their thoughts)

NO
2019-09-02 05:02:23 UTC  

It's impossible to prove both ways

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:02:59 UTC  

Why should something without evidence be worth disproving?
A claim without evidence, requires none to dismiss.

NO
2019-09-02 05:03:23 UTC  

I think there's a branch of philosophy related to proofs and shit

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:03:35 UTC  

The same logic that leads towards anarchy leads toward atheism

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:03:41 UTC  

☝💯

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:03:51 UTC  

Since you’re an ancap

NO
2019-09-02 05:04:01 UTC  

I'm agnostic

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:04:39 UTC  

https://discord.gg/Fc2MdZc

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:04:55 UTC  

If you want to keep your arguments close to your chest or develop them elsewhere

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:04:57 UTC  

I’m agnostic to a prime cause or not, and if so, what it is.
I’m atheist towards a creator and involver.
I’m anti theist towards religion

NO
2019-09-02 05:05:01 UTC  

If nothing changes with some assumption(say, deism) then it *could* still be true, and therefore the assumption cannot be disproven

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:05:03 UTC  

I can make specific channels for each topic

NO
2019-09-02 05:05:23 UTC  

Isn't a creator the same thing as a prima cause

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:05:32 UTC  

I need a logical defense for atheism

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:05:46 UTC  

A creator is a prime cause, but a prime cause doesn’t have to be a creator being

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:05:47 UTC  

Lets say the BOP is on me

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:05:54 UTC  

False

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:06:02 UTC  

That’s switching the burden

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:06:08 UTC  

He claims its an atheist cliche to claim that

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:06:09 UTC  

Burdens on the one with the claim

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:06:18 UTC  

But he tricks people into making claims

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:06:28 UTC  

Religion can’t prove it beyond personal experience, which where does that get you in court and science

Selganor
2019-09-02 05:06:36 UTC  

True

NO
2019-09-02 05:06:36 UTC  

He could say that atheists are claiming that God doesn't exist

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:06:46 UTC  

Doesn’t matter, not the atheist burden to reach

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:06:57 UTC  

We’re claiming there’s no evidence so why believe

NO
2019-09-02 05:07:12 UTC  

Isn't that agnostic

NO
2019-09-02 05:07:20 UTC  

No evidence

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:07:34 UTC  

Why not believe in ra, oden, Zeus, etc

NO
2019-09-02 05:07:35 UTC  

Atheist say they *know* God doesn't exist

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:07:40 UTC  

Agnostic is unsure

NO
2019-09-02 05:07:49 UTC  

Agnostics say that they don't give a shit

Jonathan The Shaman
2019-09-02 05:07:54 UTC  

Atheist is against the idea of a deity due to a lack of evidence