Message from @Hiruzen

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2019-02-03 11:05:23 UTC  

And it works, so all your further arguments are therefore invalid

2019-02-03 11:06:57 UTC  

>programming

2019-02-03 11:07:00 UTC  

😂

2019-02-03 11:08:52 UTC  

I've just started learning PHP and it seems kind of cool, why do people hate it so much

2019-02-03 11:13:21 UTC  

Probably hate boner and/or was shit in past therefore it cannot be improved at all so it must still be shit

2019-02-03 11:15:18 UTC  

lack of consistency, lack of predictability, bad performance, tied to request scope, silent type conversion, requirement of insane boilerplate error checking, bad implementation of dynamic capabilties etc etc etc there's much more

2019-02-03 11:15:45 UTC  

you can build working products with it but there's no reason to use it anymore

2019-02-03 11:16:29 UTC  

it used to be the most accessible tools back when servers weren't affordable and the world ran on shared-hosting services. But since this is no longer the case, you can use any more-sane language that can be as-easy-as php to use, but with far less flaws

2019-02-03 11:17:55 UTC  

most decisions of large enterprises to use PHP are based on the fact, that PHP workforce is among the cheapest

2019-02-03 11:20:03 UTC  

and while PHP is improving in the past years, they have a history of legacy behaviour to maintain, that is almost guaranteeing, that PHP will never reach the level of sanity of any related or similar language

2019-02-03 11:20:16 UTC  

I'd go that far and say almost everything else is a better choice than PHP when starting a new project

2019-02-03 11:37:17 UTC  

php bad

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/531212403858472967/541582948655169536/serveimage.png

2019-02-03 11:38:23 UTC  

I'm pretty sure your meme and your whole 6 months of development experience just made you win that argument. I don't think there's a point in discussing with you, you've proven your resistance to learning and to advice more than once. I was answering to @Adam W

2019-02-03 11:42:34 UTC  

Because I will believe an argument once I see it with my own two eyes or check how it affects my work, yet so far none of points made that PHP is bad that you said, even with that blogpost, during all the time I spent with this language, none really affected the work to the point where it would be better to scrap the whole thing and go for something else. The only point I could say is true is that debug part of it is shite, which I'm not even sure was covered by someone else. Since right now it sounds more and more to me like bitter talk of "this language isn't the same as the one I like therefore it's shit" type of talk.

2019-02-03 11:46:15 UTC  

>all the time I've spent with that language
>learned to program in July
ok
>this language isn't the same as the one I like
I made absolutely clear arguments on the downsides of PHP

continue using it, you'll probably go far. Wikipedia, Facebook, Pornhub, 4chan etc use PHP. Nontheless I guarantee that you will some day face a problem of a complexity that can't be solved in PHP due to PHP's limitations. I'm not hating on anything

2019-02-03 11:47:29 UTC  

I've spent about 9 years in that business now, I've used a lot of languages that I like and even more that I don't like. Once you reach a certain bandwith of various languages you'll see that my points are not at all opinionated. Nontheless, it's a working tool. Just, there are better ones. You don't want to take me serious? Don't. It's not a loss for me

2019-02-03 11:48:13 UTC  

this is why I wasn't even answering to you in the first place. You've made it pretty clear that you want to stick with PHP, so do it

2019-02-03 12:03:12 UTC  

>want to stick with PHP
Except not really. I want to stick with what gives me money and work and right where I am, currently PHP is the best choice. All in all my point and the main point is that PHP **isn't bad**. Rather I would be alright with just the term **flawed** since I'm not so "resistant" as you said, some points in said blogpost I could say are okay, but I still haven't felt them to the point it would make me want to leave PHP behind and start furiously searching for a new job. My issue is that the way you worded it, sounded like using PHP instantly gives you a fuckton of code debt that would be solved by switching to other language. But then again I am not the best person to argue about it that much since at the end of the day I don't really care enough about a language to defend it since every language serves some use

2019-02-03 12:03:22 UTC  

I'm only seeing Porco making actual statements and points and sum saying "B-But I like it..."

2019-02-03 12:04:13 UTC  

just because you like it doesn't mean it isn't shit

2019-02-03 12:04:50 UTC  

People also say pineapple on pizza is shit

2019-02-03 12:04:59 UTC  

Yet it is not <:alismirk:230784726615588865>

2019-02-03 12:05:46 UTC  

Lmao no

2019-02-03 12:05:52 UTC  

Looks cool though

2019-02-03 12:06:04 UTC  

yep

2019-02-03 12:06:16 UTC  

found that when i was searching if ali had any high-cri rgb(w) leds (just leds or strips for makeup mirror)

2019-02-03 12:06:22 UTC  

@sum
Have.u considered java

2019-02-03 12:06:44 UTC  

High cri red light :^)

2019-02-03 12:07:07 UTC  

if one just wants to go for Money, Java is a good choice actually

2019-02-03 12:07:12 UTC  

Yeah

2019-02-03 12:07:25 UTC  

you'll hit up 6-figure salaries within 3 years of experience in most of Europe

2019-02-03 12:07:28 UTC  

Normally pays the most out of the widely used languages

2019-02-03 12:07:33 UTC  

but then, I'd rather be homeless than do java

2019-02-03 12:07:41 UTC  

>Java

2019-02-03 12:07:43 UTC  

Yeah, what Oracle is doing to Java is kinda scary

2019-02-03 12:07:48 UTC  

Tho in London scala pays more and isnt that hard to find

2019-02-03 12:08:02 UTC  

tfw not in the CS meme field

2019-02-03 12:08:08 UTC  

isn't Scala just Java with some syntactic sugar?

2019-02-03 12:08:14 UTC  

i'm just a pharmafag <:pepeturt:499291994649133067>